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vincoTM

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Hello folks! I have been lurking on the TM forum for a few days now, so I thought it would be a good time for me to make an introductory post. This spring, I traded a rifle for a not-too-bad 1988 Coleman Sequoia popup. My wife was instantly on board with the idea of camping, but she and I both got very rapidly frustrated with the Coleman because it turned out not to have a title with it. Plus we did get it cranked up, but it's a little sketchy in the lift cable mechanism. And then we started thinking about tent camping in a box, in the rain - or worse yet, what if it hails??? That just sounds like a lot of not as much fun as initially dreamed. I do absolutely have to give it props, though: that old popup has two king-size beds in it rated at a thousand pounds apiece capacity!

So then we thought about selling it and buying a travel trailer. We shopped and looked and poked and prodded, but I just never could warm up to the idea of 12 years of payments at a hundred fifty a month, or the weight of the darn trailers! We even went to look at other popups thinking they might be nicer than our Coleman, but they just weren't.

Trolling around on Craigslist one day I saw an ad for an older (1997) Trailmanor 2619 that was local to me and within the price range of buying for cash. I put my Google-fu into overdrive and quickly learned about the neatest looking popup I'd ever seen: the Trailmanor! I went and saw it one day on the way home from work, and while likely very functional still, it did have some cosmetic and functional issues that I didn't really want to deal with or spend my money on. But it sparked an ember in my mind!

Fast forward a month, and the wife and I had pretty much decided to hang up the idea of buying a camper at all, but I was still working on getting a valid title for the Coleman. The state Revenue Office told me as part of getting a bonded title I had to go to 2 different trailer dealers and get written estimates of value of the Coleman, in order for them to determine the required value of the bond I have to buy. The first one was easy. The second one was not so much. Driving through town one Saturday late afternoon 3 weeks ago I stopped in at a brand new high-end boat and RV dealership to see if I could get somebody there to give me an estimate on the Coleman.

Lo and behold, what did they have sitting at the back of their lot but a folded down Trailmanor! Of course the salesman nearly knocked me down as I was getting out of my car, trying to "see if he could show me anything". I said just for the heck of it, "what year is that Trailmanor and what are you asking for it?" He scampered inside to find out while I looked at it and figured out it was a 2009 model 3023. He didn't know a darn thing about it, but he told me their asking price and then offered me $1500 trade-in for the Coleman sight-unseen! I said thanks and went on home. I mentioned it to the wife, and she liked the idea of trading off the Coleman, but we were still in "not going to buy a camper mode." So we went about our business for a couple more weeks until I mentioned one afternoon that I was still thinking about that Trailmanor. She said she didn't like the idea of a 10-year-old trailer and suggested that instead we go seriously looking at travel trailers again at some dealerships. So we did, and she even went on her own for a couple of days. At the end of the evening I said let's run by and see if that Trailmanor is still there and if it's set up. The dealership was closed, but the Trailmanor was still there, set up, and the door was unlocked! She stepped inside and was quick to say how much room it had compared to most of the small 16 and 17-foot travel trailers we had been looking at all night. We decided to come back and look at it during the daytime, but it took 2 weeks more to get to it with our schedules. Meanwhile, the wife actually took time to watch some Youtube videos and got herself excited about the Trailmanor concept.

Finally today was the day. I was able to get off work early and picked up my wife and our Suburban from home, and we drove to the dealership. We spent about 2 hours poking and prodding around the trailer, testing things, and we even put it down ourselves. We decided to offer them $2000 less than their asking price with no trade-in, and they accepted our offer with no further haggling! We went inside and did the paperwork, and then we went back out, hooked it up to the Suburban, and dragged it home today! So now we've instantly gone from never having camped before to owning the coolest camper ever built! And we still have the little Coleman to sell!
 
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Welcome to the cool world and forum of Trailmanor. If I might suggest join the forum. I was leery to buy in, but have come to realize its been well worth the cost.
 
Vinco,
Welcome to the amazing...and strange...world of the Transformer camper, the Trailmanor. Also...glad to have you with us!
 
Thank you for the welcome! We're both very excited!

One of our motivators is that we have decided to road-trip to the Grand Canyon from our home in Arkansas for our vacation this summer. It's coming up in 2 weeks actually! We've never camped before, so this will be a complete novel adventure for us both, in every sense! I am trying to compile our list of stuff to really be worried about on the trailer before we head out. I'm thinking we really need to make sure the tires and bearings are up to snuff, and we will also take our 2008 Suburban TV to have a brake controller put on it. We spent Saturday on a shopping spree buying stuff to outfit the camper (coffee pot, dishes, pots and pans, indoor/outdoor carpet, etc.)

So one question I have that I haven't yet found a straight answer by searching: the shower curtain is completely MIA, but the hangers are still there. Do I have to buy a special curtain to hang on the factory hangers, or will any curtain work? I don't think I have time to do any mods yet - just want to bring it back to factory-ish configuration for now.
 
I am not sure you will be able find suitable shower curtains between now and your scheduled departure on your first camping trip.

One option is to order replacement curtains from the factory.

Here is the link to their parts catalogue: http://www.trailmanor.com/storage/app/media/PDFs/trailmanorpartscatalog2018.pdf scroll down to part # 11009 (6x6) white nylon shower curtain. The factory might be able to get it to you in time.

Dick
 
Made my own rod and curtain

I removed my curtain and now use pvc tubing as a shower rod. I had a friend shorten and sew the bottom of a regular shower curtain to use in its place.
I measured the width and cut to pvc to length, drilled holes to use the smallest cable from the hardware store. Swedged the cable into a loop and hook it onto the small command hooks. I can pop it off when I stow the camper. It works perfectly.
 

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Hello folks! I have been lurking on the TM forum for a few days now, so I thought it would be a good time for me to make an introductory post. This spring, I traded a rifle for a not-too-bad 1988 Coleman Sequoia popup. My wife was instantly on board with the idea of camping, but she and I both got very rapidly frustrated with the Coleman because it turned out not to have a title with it. Plus we did get it cranked up, but it's a little sketchy in the lift cable mechanism. And then we started thinking about tent camping in a box, in the rain - or worse yet, what if it hails??? That just sounds like a lot of not as much fun as initially dreamed. I do absolutely have to give it props, though: that old popup has two king-size beds in it rated at a thousand pounds apiece capacity!

So then we thought about selling it and buying a travel trailer. We shopped and looked and poked and prodded, but I just never could warm up to the idea of 12 years of payments at a hundred fifty a month, or the weight of the darn trailers! We even went to look at other popups thinking they might be nicer than our Coleman, but they just weren't.

Trolling around on Craigslist one day I saw an ad for an older (1997) Trailmanor 2619 that was local to me and within the price range of buying for cash. I put my Google-fu into overdrive and quickly learned about the neatest looking popup I'd ever seen: the Trailmanor! I went and saw it one day on the way home from work, and while likely very functional still, it did have some cosmetic and functional issues that I didn't really want to deal with or spend my money on. But it sparked an ember in my mind!

Fast forward a month, and the wife and I had pretty much decided to hang up the idea of buying a camper at all, but I was still working on getting a valid title for the Coleman. The state Revenue Office told me as part of getting a bonded title I had to go to 2 different trailer dealers and get written estimates of value of the Coleman, in order for them to determine the required value of the bond I have to buy. The first one was easy. The second one was not so much. Driving through town one Saturday late afternoon 3 weeks ago I stopped in at a brand new high-end boat and RV dealership to see if I could get somebody there to give me an estimate on the Coleman.

Lo and behold, what did they have sitting at the back of their lot but a folded down Trailmanor! Of course the salesman nearly knocked me down as I was getting out of my car, trying to "see if he could show me anything". I said just for the heck of it, "what year is that Trailmanor and what are you asking for it?" He scampered inside to find out while I looked at it and figured out it was a 2009 model 3023. He didn't know a darn thing about it, but he told me their asking price and then offered me $1500 trade-in for the Coleman sight-unseen! I said thanks and went on home. I mentioned it to the wife, and she liked the idea of trading off the Coleman, but we were still in "not going to buy a camper mode." So we went about our business for a couple more weeks until I mentioned one afternoon that I was still thinking about that Trailmanor. She said she didn't like the idea of a 10-year-old trailer and suggested that instead we go seriously looking at travel trailers again at some dealerships. So we did, and she even went on her own for a couple of days. At the end of the evening I said let's run by and see if that Trailmanor is still there and if it's set up. The dealership was closed, but the Trailmanor was still there, set up, and the door was unlocked! She stepped inside and was quick to say how much room it had compared to most of the small 16 and 17-foot travel trailers we had been looking at all night. We decided to come back and look at it during the daytime, but it took 2 weeks more to get to it with our schedules. Meanwhile, the wife actually took time to watch some Youtube videos and got herself excited about the Trailmanor concept.

Finally today was the day. I was able to get off work early and picked up my wife and our Suburban from home, and we drove to the dealership. We spent about 2 hours poking and prodding around the trailer, testing things, and we even put it down ourselves. We decided to offer them $2000 less than their asking price with no trade-in, and they accepted our offer with no further haggling! We went inside and did the paperwork, and then we went back out, hooked it up to the Suburban, and dragged it home today! So now we've instantly gone from never having camped before to owning the coolest camper ever built! And we still have the little Coleman to sell!
 
This spring, I traded a rifle for a not-too-bad 1988 Coleman Sequoia popup. My wife was instantly on board with the idea of camping, but she and I both got very rapidly frustrated with the Coleman because it turned out not to have a title with it....And we still have the little Coleman to sell!
Vinco -

You may be aware that many states do not (and will not) issue a title for a trailer. Some states have weight specifications (in Maine, no title for a trailer under 3000 pounds). Arkansas apparently issues no title at all for a trailer.

If this is the case in your state, lack of title should not be a problem when you sell a trailer. Just direct your buyer to the proper place on your state's DMV web site.

Bill
 
Vinco -

You may be aware that many states do not (and will not) issue a title for a trailer. Some states have weight specifications (in Maine, no title for a trailer under 3000 pounds). Arkansas apparently issues no title at all for a trailer.

If this is the case in your state, lack of title should not be a problem when you sell a trailer. Just direct your buyer to the proper place on your state's DMV web site.

Bill

Arkansas actually does require a title for anything that rolls on the road to get licensed. They do not require a title for boats, but they do for the trailers.
 
I was working from this statement I found online with a quick search. Admittedly, it was in a discussion group not necessarily populated with experts. I can't find a source at Arkansas DMV to back this up, but Maine DMV does make a clear statement about trailers below 3000 pounds, and I think Texas says the same thing, but at 4000 pounds. Of course, a title is not the same thing as a registration.

Titles are required only for motors and motorized vehicles in Arkansas.....Trailers are required to be registered but not titled. If you buy a boat motor and trailer, the only thing titled is the motor, the boat and trailer is registered but not required to have a title.

Bill
 
Bill, Trailers in Texas fall under different rules. Factory built trailers are required to have titles no matter how much they weigh or can haul. Titles can be factory(clean),rebuilt or bonded. Shop made trailers only need be registered. Now if your trailer weight plus load limit is over a certain amount you will have to have it inspected as well, does not matter if factory made or shop built. Weight limit used to be 5000lbs, I think it was moved down to 4500lbs. I could be wrong on that one.
 
I don't know - I keep running into things like this, from the Texas DMV web site at
https://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/other-types-of-vehicles.php

Trailer Registration in Texas
All non-farm trailers operating on public roads
require registration, but only certain ones require titling The exact requirements vary by trailer type and weight. This includes a homemade trailer.

Manufactured Trailers
Trailers heavier than 4,000 lbs. (gross weight) must be titled.
To get a title, visit your county tax office with:
Proof of ownership (Manufacturer Certificate of Origin, title, Bill of Sale). A completed Application for Texas Certificate of Title (form 130-U). Payment for registration fees.

So I read that as saying that manufactured trailers that weigh less than 4000 pounds do not need to be titled. They may be titled, but they are not required to be.

Remember, "registered" is not the same as "titled".

Maine's weight limit for a title is 3000 pounds. They use the weight that is advertised by the manufacturer, rather than the actual weight on a scale. Since a 2720SL is advertised as "dry weight 2875", that is what they use. And they won't give you a title even if they want one (I know - I tried).

Bill
 
Bill, I stand corrected. Here is additional info for Texas. Annual inspections have to be on 7500+ lbs on gvwr. Not the lower amount as I had thought. Does not matter, I don't buy without a title. You never know if/when/where you might want to sell it and I am sure some places require a title.
Not only that, right now in my area cars/trucks are being sold without titles. Most are from out of state and I just have to wonder how many are still in hock at the bank. When the seller says I lost the title, but you can file for a lost title. The word is be careful when buying. Sorry got a little off track.
 
I was working from this statement I found online with a quick search. Admittedly, it was in a discussion group not necessarily populated with experts. I can't find a source at Arkansas DMV to back this up, but Maine DMV does make a clear statement about trailers below 3000 pounds, and I think Texas says the same thing, but at 4000 pounds. Of course, a title is not the same thing as a registration.



Bill

I live in Arkansas.
 
Pretty epic trip for a shakedown cruise!

So we had owned our 3023 for two whole weeks before we took off on a little trip to the Grand Canyon! First night when we left Arkansas was at the Palo Duro Ziplines RV Park, in Canyon, Texas. Great little campground, and setup was no problem. Second day, we set our sights on Gallup, New Mexico. A cruel Google reroute which shoved us off onto "Old Route 66" west of Albequerque shook rattled and rolled our poor trailer almost to death, and it spelled the end of our refrigerator as well as breaking the toilet lid hinge, together with one of the lights in one of the roof hatches. We had to live out of ice chests after that, and the ammonia was awful that night. The park in Gallup was nice, though. We continued west from there, pulling the TM through Petrified Forest National Park and had to go stand on the corner in Winslow, Arizona (such a fine sight to see!) We managed to pre-reserve one night in Trailer Village at the Soutn Rim of the Grand Canyon, and we enjoyed that stay immensely. There were 2 cow elk that walked right by our campsite the next morning. The next night, we got a spot at Camper Village, outside the Park, and that was OK too. Next day, we pulled our TM through the Park, east up 64, and went around the east end of the Canyon, crossing over at Navajo Bridge on our way to stay at Jacob Lake for 2 nights. After Jacob Lake, we moved the trailer down to Kanab, Utah, at the RV Corral (Good Sam), while we spent the day at Zion NP. After spending the night in Kanab, we struck out for home. We ended up that night in Las Vegas, NM, at a cheap hotel, just because we were too late trying to reserve an RV park. In retrospect, we could have boondocked at Wal Mart there that night. bu oh well. Next day was 663 miles to the KOA at Sallisaw, Oklahoma, which was a totally awesome campground! Finally we made it home about mid-afternoon the following day. 3,351 miles and a whole bunch of loose screws that now need to be fixed! (oh, and the refrigerator and lights.)
 
Any light fabric one will work, and check out some of the bathroom modifications for storage, there is a great one using a mesh pocketed shower crtain you velcro to the foldong wall witch works great for storage! Safe travels, ENJOY
 
Either use a marine grade velcro, or find a way to clamp the curtain to the bathroom wall. I did the shower curtain mod and the idea is great. Walmat velcro lasts less than a year before the glue softens and soesnt hold
 

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