How much does the 2619 really weigh?

[M&M Hokie]

Weight distribution is messy thing as the "fixes" are pretty difficult. I confess that I have thought about converting the trunk to a battery box to allow me to move some weight from the tongue to the other side of the axle. I like to bring my own water and a full 40g tank puts a lot of weight forward. I am even thinking about installing my future solar panels on the rear shell where they would be a tight squeeze instead of the larger and easier to fit spots on the forward shell.

 

[KParis]

2619 weight and safety

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Well, let's start with one thing. Trailmanor does give "real weight" of the trailer. It is called dry weight, and it is the real weight of the TM before the owner adds stuff. At the Trailmanor.com website, click "Showroom", then "Specifications" - the dry weight is listed for every model of folding trailer.

Trailmanor does not list the weight of factory options, but you can look them up. Without looking them up, I would guess that the air conditioner weighs 60 pounds, the awning weighs 30 pounds, a battery weighs 25 pounds, propane weighs 25 pounds (5 pounds per gallon or so), and the awning weighs 25 pounds. Total about 175 pounds.

What TrailManor can't list, and can't control, is the stuff that the owner adds. The TM web site suggests that you should add 500 to 1000 pounds to the dry weight to obtain a ready-to-camp weight, and as you can see, the factory options are a relatively small part of this. You can figure that the tongue weight is 13-14% of the total towed weight.

I hope this helps. I'm not entirely sure what you expect TM to publish as a "real weight". Your concern with weight is commendable, but most of the gap between dry weight and towed weight is under your control, not TM's.

Bill

Hi,

I really appreciate all the wisdom being shared in this forum. It really helps those of us who are rookies. I am considering buying a 2619 and I get worried when I read all the stuff about weight. The info that one of you provided (thanks) listed the following: dry weight is 2673 lbs; the load capacity is 1350 lbs; both added together gives the gross trailer weight of 4023 lbs. It also lists 3672 lbs. as the axle weight which I couldn't find before. Doesn't this mean that if I load the TM to capacity of 4023, I would exceed the rating of the axle? Isn't that dangerous? Or am I just confused? What weight would you recommend as the max.(loaded, traveling weight)? By the way, I do plan on adding the awning, AC, TV/DVD on a hanging mount, and the TV antenna which totals about 200 pounds. I know I also have to add a battery which I assume weighs about 60 pounds. So I will be at about 2900 pounds before adding any items. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am thinking of a Honda Pilot that tows 4500 pounds with a class 3 trailer hitch. The tongue rating of this Pilot is 450 pounds and the listed number for the TM 2619 is 351. Do I have to add more numbers to the 351 to get the real number of the TM being towed (I assume I add the 2 20# propane tanks =40 pounds but is that all I add?). Just not sure what to do or whether to get an SUV that tows 3500 pounds (TM implies this is fine for almost all of its models). Whew--this is confusing.

Sorry for so many questions, but I prefer to ask owner's rather than dealers. I would appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks.

Have a wonderful day, K. Paris

 

[wbmiller3]

This post has my measured weights for our 2619: http://www.trailmanorowners.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31534&postcount=9

 

[Shrimpburrito]

he info that one of you provided (thanks) listed the following: dry weight is 2673 lbs; the load capacity is 1350 lbs; both added together gives the gross trailer weight of 4023 lbs. It also lists 3672 lbs. as the axle weight which I couldn't find before. Doesn't this mean that if I load the TM to capacity of 4023, I would exceed the rating of the axle?

Probably not. Presuming you have a typical tongue weight of 600 lbs, the weight on the axle would be no more than 4023 - 600 = 3423 lbs. And it would actually be a bit less than that because the weight of the tires, rims, and the axle itself is not supported by the axle, and so the weight of all those components (maybe 200 lbs?) can be subtracted further.

Dave

 

[brulaz]

Be really careful with Trailmanor's numbers.

Trailmanors tend to have high tongue weights because they place the trailer axle further back on the trailer frame than most other trailers. This makes them very stable, but puts more weight on the tow vehicle (it's rear axle in particular).

You can use a weight distributing hitch to move some of that weight back to the trailer axle (if it's not overloaded already) and some forward to the TV's front axle. This will further improve handling.

If the tongue weight is 600# (I would be really surprised if it's anywhere as low as 351#), you should be able to move 150-200# back to the trailer axle with a WDH. That would meet your 450# hitch rating.

But would you still exceed the TV's GVWR or the front axle's weight rating (as the WDH moves weight from the rear to the front axle) ?

Some of us have found that a TV's tow rating (4500# in your case) is not the problem. Rather it is the trailer's high tongue weight, even with a WDH, which causes us to exceed the TV's GVWR and axle ratings.

Take the payload (GVWR minus empty "Curb weight") of your Pilot, and subtract the expected passenger, gas and your "misc. stuff" weights. Compare what's left with the expected tongue weight ...

On our last trip, we exceeded our Tacoma's GVWR by a couple of hundred pounds. As a result, I'm very cautious about braking as I think that is the weak link.

 

[MisterP]

^^ I am not sure I would post that last sentence in a public forum. IMO.

 

[brulaz]

^^ I am not sure I would post that last sentence in a public forum. IMO.

You mean about exceeding the GVWR? Or ...?

I see you have an F-350. You shouldn't have any troubles with exceeding the GVWR there.

 

[TM Pilot]

Here is a link to the tongue and tire weights of my 2007 TM 2619:

http://www.trailmanorowners.com/forum/showthread.php?p=111210&posted=1#post111210

 

[Padgett]

I measured the tongue weight of my 2720 at 470 lbs using two scales, a 400 (got it cheap) and a 250 & summing the readings. It has the slide so the grp 29 battery (60 lbs) is in the rear compartment.

A 5,000 lb capacity Dexter axle is not that expensive (under $400 online outright) & could select the arm angle to raise the rig enough to clear the 15" tires and not need the spacer. Seems like a more elegant solution.

 

[TM Pilot]

While that is a more expensive option, it is definitely a better one, Padgett. The 3500lb axle is just too limiting. If you get the 5000lb axle, you will probably still be limited to your TM's GVWR - the frame can only support so much.

 

[Padgett]

BTW here is a "door page" for mine. Am not so concerned about frame flex normally, the shock if the 3500 axle hits a stop is going to be a lot harder on the frame and a 2x5" beam can take a lot of shear.

What is intersting is the "slipstreamed" changes that TM seems to have made, need to verify but think there is a wheel well change that may have accompanied the 15" wheel, will provide more info after I remove one of mine.

On that line does TM use an automotive model year or calalendar, or "something else" ? If automotive then my April '06 would be considered "late production".

ps I'd put the roof AC with ducts and air handler at closer to 125 lbs than 60

 

[rickst29]

Just for reference ... the "fattest" of all 2619 Trailers.

My "heavyweight" 2619 weighs 3040 lbs on the Scale, with WDH "pushing back" some hitch weight. That includes solar panels, air conditioner, a partly loaded fridge, real dishes, the microwave, and about 30 lbs of bedding stuff. (Zero water, empty gray and black tanks). 40 gallons of fresh water would add 340 lbs, and my usual "stuff" with clothes, dry foods, and electronic things would add 100-150 lbs more. A really long trip and "heavily packed trip" might add another 150 lbs.

Fully loaded, on the scale with the WDH cinched up, my trailer axle would weigh more than 3500 lbs. The weight of tires, wheels, and axle itself probably doesn't count towards the Dexter limit, but I'd be close. Adding another 450 lbs of people and dog inside, the static weight (in camp) is definitely above 3500 lbs. But Dexter's ratings are probably for roadways with minor potholes, and a bit more "static loading" might be OK.

Forrtunately, modern TMs are built with more capable axles - and my old 2619 was also built with a "5000 lb" axle, so I have lots of room to spare.