Permanent Trailer Identification Plates

[ShrimpBurrito]

Originally Posted by PopBeavers

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation or human occupancy for industrial, professional, or commercial purposes,

Since my TM is not industrial, professional or commercial, then that rule ought not to apply.

My TM is for recreational purposes.

Good point. Might be worth arguing if you really want to get it done.

All I did was fill out the PTI application ahead of time, went to AAA, and I was out of there with PTI plates within 15 min. She even came out to inspect the trailer VIN plates. I didn't realize I was so lucky.

Dave

[Wavery]

Originally Posted by PopBeavers

The California definition of a trailer coach is:

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation....... or human occupancy for industrial, professional, or commercial purposes,

Since my TM is not industrial, professional or commercial, then that rule ought not to apply.

My TM is for recreational purposes.

So I wonder what it actually means.

The "or" is what counts.........in legal jargin....


The TM is simply "a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation"....... (that's before the "or"....) thus it is a "Trailer Coach"

[ShrimpBurrito]

Originally Posted by harveyrv

The "or" is what counts.........in legal jargin....


The TM is simply "a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation....... (that's before the "or"....) thus it is a "Trailer Coach"

I read that to mean these two sentences:

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation for industrial, professional, or commercial purposes

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human occupancy for industrial, professional, or commercial purposes

Make ambiguity your friend.

Dave

[Wavery]

Originally Posted by ShrimpBurrito

Good point. Might be worth arguing if you really want to get it done.

All I did was fill out the PTI application ahead of time, went to AAA, and I was out of there with PTI plates within 15 min. She even came out to inspect the trailer VIN plates. I didn't realize I was so lucky.

Dave

She didn't know what she was doing.........this is a very complicated law, especially if you have a tent trailer. That's how I know so much about this law. I actually hired a lawyer to get my "Tent trailer" PTI plates after I was denied 4 times. The wording for "Tent trailers" is a bit iffy. However, the TM being over 16' and definitely not a "tent trailer", there is no way that it should qualify. However, I know of at least 3 TMs with PTI plates. These AAA and DMV employees are not attorneys.

[Wavery]

Originally Posted by ShrimpBurrito

I read that to mean these two sentences:

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation for for for? industrial, professional, or commercial purposes

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human occupancy for industrial, professional, or commercial purposes

Make ambiguity your friend.

Dave

Where did you find that "F" in "OR"

The sentence:

A "trailer coach" is a vehicle, other than a motor vehicle, designed for human habitation or human occupancy for industrial, professional, or commercial purposes,

means that two things must be true:
1. it is used for either human habitation OR human occupancy
2. it is used for industrial, professional or commercial purposes.

For most of us number 2 is always false, therefore this rule does not apply to us.

Unless my understanding of the rules of Boolean Algebra is incorrect.

I am a programmer, not a lawyer. I write programs for these types of specifications all the time.

I will admit it could be misinterpreted. The "for" before industrial could be mistakenly interpreted as "or" when my knowledge of Boolean Algebra indicates it is interpreted as "and".

If programmers wrote programs like lawyers write laws, then the web would not work at all.

Laws should be clear, concise and unambiguous. Unfortunately, the people that know how to do that never get elected to public office.

Bottom line in all of this...if you live in California...and you tell them it is over 16 feet and a hard sided trailer you do not qualify. Period. However, if you are really, really, lucky as Dave was, you might just squeak in and get one of these plates.

If you get in an accident and the CHP checks your registration, could you get into trouble that way? I suppose you could state 'I dunno, those plates were given to me by the nice person at AAA!'

Mike Anderson