Trailmanor update

[RottieMom]

Jim, I hope your new TM is in tip-top shape when you go to pick it up and no issues. Look forward to hearing more when you pick it up.

[Jim Moses]

OH OH ....Trailmanor.com = This Account has been suspended.

Hope there just redesigning the Web Page is all.

[BrucePerens]

The Wayback Machine has a capture of the Trailmanor web site from April 12, at https://web.archive.org/web/20151206...railmanor.com/
Most of the content seems to be there, and there are some older captures if anything's missing.

[Padgett]

Have collected everything electronic I could find, about 550 MB plus another 600 MB on generators. After weeding out is probably a GB.

And then there is all of the information on this site. Perhaps a DVD collection ?

[BrucePerens]

Padgett, there are unfortunately copyright and trademark issues, so we should be wary of putting it on public site without permission, but it will probably be OK for it to be members only for TM owners. I have lots of server space if you need it. Definitely get some copies to others to assure its preservation.

[Padgett]

In general, if on the open internet without protection for a certain period works pass into the Public Domain (are criteria for that) but could pay for a lawyers yacht to prove it.

Don't get me started on copyrights and patents stifling innovation or GM lawyers and scanned service manuals (for over a decade they were licensed to clubs whose members had scanned them for posting but that was recently revoked.)

I have both paper and scanned service and parts manuals for my cars plus an enhanced Blue Book in .pdf.

[BrucePerens]

Originally Posted by Padgett

Don't get me started on copyrights and patents stifling innovation

Yes. I am one of the founders of the Open Source movement in software, so obviously I have spent a lot of my life in attempting to reverse this trend. I make my living helping engineers to understand law and lawyers to understand technology.

Originally Posted by Padgett

if on the open internet without protection for a certain period works pass into the Public Domain

I really wish that was the case, but it won't happen in our lifetime. Nothing that Trailmanor has done with its web site will cause the loss of the copyright of its content, and the default is "all rights reserved". Nor will the copyright be lost from my book series which you can download for free, or from my software which you can download for free.

These days, you get an automatic copyright as soon as your work is "fixated" (for example, creating a file or writing it down) and since the 1980's it has not been required that you explicitly declare your copyright. The copyright continues for the lifetime of the author plus 95 years, so there is essentially no public domain for modern works.

The two things that most confuse people about intellectual property are generic-ization of trademarks and the doctrine of Laches. Mostly we hear things like "if you don't enforce your copyright, you lose it", while the truth is much more complicated.

[Padgett]

Have known it to happen but was mainly when the owner of the copyright wanted it in the PD. (and the opposite is why there are three seconds of "Steamboat Willie" at the start of a Disney movie).

One that gets me the most is when a service manual is blocked from the vehicle owner.

[aslag54]

I had a phone conversation with their new production supervisor yesterday so it appears the doors are still open. My guess is they're probably in arrears with their website hosting, still not a good sign.

[Jim Moses]

Originally Posted by aslag54

I had a phone conversation with their new production supervisor yesterday so it appears the doors are still open. My guess is they're probably in arrears with their website hosting, still not a good sign.

Thanks for the Update aslag54, I'm still holding out for my new trailer that was due May 1st