TrailManor Owner's Forum  

Go Back   TrailManor Owner's Forum > TrailManor Owners Community > Prospective Owner Questions
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-14-2012, 08:52 AM   #21
Mr. Adventure
TrailManor Master
 
Mr. Adventure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 668
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PopBeavers View Post
... NOT ADVISABLE TO TOW TRAILERS BEYOND THIS POINT...
I love great adventures. But if I had the chance to do this, we all (that's me, the road sign, y'all in the forum, and Ms. Adventure) agree that I shouldn't ever expect to be doing it more than once. This particular adventure feels a bit distant for several reasons, but as voyaging voyeurs, we wish you success at finding it a great adventure to report here.

I've seen roads in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina that can be pretty steep for towing fun, but these haven't had any federal highway sign numbers. In Illinois, where I went to college, they use 300' verticals as opportunities to build ski areas (to really see a hill, they expect to drive to Wisconsin where sometimes hills can get twice that big).
__________________
2005 TrailManor 3023
2003 Toyota Highlander 220hp V6 FWD
Reese 1000# round bar Weight Distributing Hitch
Prodigy brake controller.

"It's not how fast you can go, it's how fast you can stop an RV that counts."
Mr. Adventure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 09:16 AM   #22
CrazyCampers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

We bought the Dodge Durango with the V8 Hemi and a towing capacity of 7200lbs. We were sold after the test drive.

Here is a humorous video showing the Durango towing:


So we are one step closer on our new adventure!

Thanks for all the advice!
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 09:59 AM   #23
Redhawk
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Congrats on the Durango....I followed one down the highway yesterday, sharp looking SUV. When you start towing I suspect you'll be real happy with your choice. It's that extra headroom of safety that I enjoy.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 02:12 PM   #24
LoveToCamp
TrailManor Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Centennial, Colorado
Posts: 877
Default

Since you are considering the Durango, I would also suggest looking at the Durango with the 3.0L diesel engine. It is said that it will be available in the 2013 models.

I have a 2007 Grand Cherokee (same chassis as the Durango) with that diesel. I traded my 2004 Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V-8. Huge difference in towing ability! The diesel also gets better mileage than the 4.7L V-8.

We also have a 5.7L Hemi V-8 Grand Cherokee. The diesel tows much better than the Hemi, also. Plus, the mileage is much better in the diesel than the Hemi. Since you are looking at the Durango, I would strongly encourage you to consider the diesel. Fuel has been cheaper than regular unleaded lately, but you have to watch. There is a difference of as much as $0.40 per gallon for diesel at the different stations around town, even when I am buying it for less than unleaded at some stations.

I didn't think I would be a diesel advocate, but I am a convert. I won't consider anything else for a TV in the future, if I have that option.

Well, as I am reviewing the posts, I see that I have missed an entire page, and that you purchased the Hemi Durango. Much better choice than the V-6. But, I will leave this post here, as I do want to encourage anyone else considering a tow vehicle, to consider a diesel. I am very happy the salesman suggested it!
LoveToCamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 12:04 PM   #25
PopBeavers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveToCamp View Post
Since you are considering the Durango, I would also suggest looking at the Durango with the 3.0L diesel engine. It is said that it will be available in the 2013 models.

I have a 2007 Grand Cherokee (same chassis as the Durango) with that diesel. I traded my 2004 Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V-8. Huge difference in towing ability! The diesel also gets better mileage than the 4.7L V-8.

We also have a 5.7L Hemi V-8 Grand Cherokee. The diesel tows much better than the Hemi, also. Plus, the mileage is much better in the diesel than the Hemi. Since you are looking at the Durango, I would strongly encourage you to consider the diesel. Fuel has been cheaper than regular unleaded lately, but you have to watch. There is a difference of as much as $0.40 per gallon for diesel at the different stations around town, even when I am buying it for less than unleaded at some stations.

I didn't think I would be a diesel advocate, but I am a convert. I won't consider anything else for a TV in the future, if I have that option.

Well, as I am reviewing the posts, I see that I have missed an entire page, and that you purchased the Hemi Durango. Much better choice than the V-6. But, I will leave this post here, as I do want to encourage anyone else considering a tow vehicle, to consider a diesel. I am very happy the salesman suggested it!
I considered a diesel, but decided that for my application it is overkill.

I drive 7,500 miles per year. Half of that towing. The other half empty driving around town going to the hardware store.

Diesel has a higher up front cost.
Diesel has a higher annual maintenance cost.
Diesel fuel, though you may get better mileage, costs more so do the math carefully to determine dollars per mile.
Diesel is slightly more difficult to find than gas. This is mainly an issue in small towns away from freeways.

After all of my research I concluded that diesel is an advantage when:

towing heavy
towing at high altitude
towing a lot more miles that I ever will
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 01:09 PM   #26
brulaz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PopBeavers View Post
...
towing at high altitude
...
Actually that's a turbo advantage not restricted to diesels (which are usually turboed). I understand Ford's Ecoboost 3.5L V6 with two turbos has the same high altitude advantage. It also has similar low-end torque as many of the German 3L V6 diesels in their SUVs. But is less fuel efficient.

Unfortunately, the German diesel SUVs are equipped and marketed as Luxury vehicles and priced as such. I'm waiting to see how the Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat V6 diesel will be priced. I suspect that in the Grand Cherokee it will be way over $50K.

I hadn't heard that the diesel will be available in the Durango. But there are rumours that it will appear in the Ram pickup.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 03:43 PM   #27
PopBeavers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brulaz View Post
Actually that's a turbo advantage not restricted to diesels (which are usually turboed). I understand Ford's Ecoboost 3.5L V6 with two turbos has the same high altitude advantage. It also has similar low-end torque as many of the German 3L V6 diesels in their SUVs. But is less fuel efficient.

Unfortunately, the German diesel SUVs are equipped and marketed as Luxury vehicles and priced as such. I'm waiting to see how the Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat V6 diesel will be priced. I suspect that in the Grand Cherokee it will be way over $50K.

I hadn't heard that the diesel will be available in the Durango. But there are rumours that it will appear in the Ram pickup.
50k is a lot of money.

In the fall of 2008 I bought a brand new GMC 2500HD, 4wd, z71, gas, crew cab, long bed, tow package for less than 30k out the door.

I might be willing to pay an extra 1K for diesel, as long as it gets better fuel economy than gas under all driving circumstances (going to the store with no cargo). I also require lower routine maintenance costs (oil change, tune-up, etc.)

In a perfectly matched situation, the engine blows, requiring a rebuild, at the same time that the body rots out. For me, body rot and engine failure both occur at approximately 200k miles and 18 years on the road.

I think that for GM if you get diesel instead of gas then you also need a more expensive transmission. Yet more overkill for a TM.

My brother has a Chevy 2500HD diesel with the larger transmission. He is retired and does a lot of traveling, 7+months per year on the road. His 5th wheel trailer weighs around 12k pounds loaded. I think diesel is very appropriate in his situation, especially towing over the Sierra's and Rocky's.
As I am currently configured, I am probably in the overkill category already. I don't see any value in yet more overkill. Unless I start taking more stuff with me.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 04:39 PM   #28
brulaz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PopBeavers View Post
...
My brother has a Chevy 2500HD diesel with the larger transmission. He is retired and does a lot of traveling, 7+months per year on the road. His 5th wheel trailer weighs around 12k pounds loaded. I think diesel is very appropriate in his situation, especially towing over the Sierra's and Rocky's.
As I am currently configured, I am probably in the overkill category already. I don't see any value in yet more overkill. Unless I start taking more stuff with me.
Ah well, the traditional diesel in a N.A. pickup is a V8 monster.

But smaller diesels do exist, and this V6 3L that Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep is bringing over from Europe will be a more appropriate size. But the price ... ?

Our 2005 VW Passat (now with our daughter @ 150,000 mi) had a 2L I4 TDI (turbo direct injection) diesel. We hauled our ~2500# pop-up all over N.A. with it. Wonderful car, lots of low-end torque.

Correctly sized diesels really do make fantastic towing motors, if only they can keep the price down. I'm sure we'll be seeing more of them. They exist already everywhere else but N.A.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2012, 07:38 PM   #29
LoveToCamp
TrailManor Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Centennial, Colorado
Posts: 877
Default

Is the 3.0L diesel overkill? Based on my towing with my 4.7L gas engine, and our 5.7L Hemi gas engine, I don't think so. But, I am at high altitude, and will tow many miles at high altitude, climbing many hills. My 4.7L normally-aspirated would have frustrated me on every trip.

I get 28 mpg with my diesel at 65 mph (not towing). The Hemi gets 18 mpg in same situation.

Diesel costs from the same as Regular Unleaded, to $0.40 per gallon more, in the Denver area. It was $0.20 per gallon more on our trip to Glacier. With the added fuel economy, my diesel (admittedly, purchased used) will cost less to own than a gas Grand Cherokee, over the life of 125,000 miles. I will keep mine much longer, as I am currently driving over 45,000 miles per year, mostly for my job. Fuel economy is a huge factor. Have not spent a penny on repairs in the 3 months, 15,000 miles I have had it. Oil changes are pricey ($150 for "the works"), but only are done every 12,500 miles.

I ran the numbers many times before I purchased, and called 3 dealerships' service departments. They all said the diesel didn't seem to be in the shop any more than regular engines, so they felt they were good engines.

If you don't drive much, diesels aren't worth it. But, in my opinion, if you tow, and drive over 15,000 miles a year (towing, or not), they are worth it, as long as fuel remains within $0.20 per gallon, on average. So far, I have been closer than that on price, so I have made good ground on the price differential!
LoveToCamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2012, 12:34 AM   #30
T and C
TrailManor Master
 
T and C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 432
Default

Love to Camp,

Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is the 3.0L diesel overkill? Based on my towing with my 4.7L gas engine, and our 5.7L Hemi gas engine, I don't think so. But, I am at high altitude, and will tow many miles at high altitude, climbing many hills. My 4.7L normally-aspirated would have frustrated me on every trip.
Since you speak of a hemi, I am guessing you are talking about a Dodge? I wonder what you are asking of your TV. I have towed my 3023 over a couple of 7000 foot passes with my 4.6 F-150 with no problem. In fact, I went over the Donner pass between Sacramento and Reno at 55 on cruise control. Seems to me that other manufacturer's products in that class would be roughly equal. But, perhaps not.

I have also towed up to Silver Cliff, CO at 8000 feet with no problem. After all, my 3023 weighed in at 4000 lbs. It doesn't seem to me that we should need maximum TV's to pull that sort of weight.

Well, that's my .02 I guess.

Tom
__________________
TM 3023

TV 2010 F-150 4.6, factory tow pkg, air bags
T and C is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Charging The Batteries From The TV While Running The Refrigerator On Battery Philip Electrical 75 03-08-2015 09:00 AM
TV Shelves in Living Room of our 2720SL bebotx How to and Modifications 2 04-22-2012 02:45 PM
Newbie TV and TT questions jimmyriley Towing and Hitching 8 10-21-2010 08:06 AM
Shelving, blinds and TV stands Canoe719 How to and Modifications 16 09-30-2010 05:37 PM
TV Reception Issue rvmi312 Appliances 9 08-01-2010 07:02 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 2021 Trailmanor Owners Page.