How much does the 2619 really weigh?

I expect to have our 2619 out next week if you can weight that long. LOL..I'm funny.
I'll try and get some numbers then at a local scale. A WDH will be a must I would think.
I would be as concerned with the TV's GCWR too. That said, I understand where you're coming from. THe TM's are a lot of fun and can be addicting.

[ZekenSpider]

The attached .pdf file is my accumulation of information posted by other TM owners about their real world loaded and unloaded TM weights compared to the factory advertised weights. Unfortunately, there is only one posting for a 2619 but maybe you can extrapolate from the other models listed.

Jerry

[ZekenSpider]

TM (with the blessing of Dexter Axle) has changed the way it calculates the Gross Axle Weight Ratings (GAWR). It is now 3,500# plus the weight of tires, rims & drums (items that are not carried by the axle). The axle is still limited to carry only 3,500#, but when you weigh the TM, the scale sees the TM on top of the axle plus the left and right side tires, rims & drums that carry the axle. This total of both values is 3,640# (3,500# + 70# + 70#).

If you weigh the TM with the axle only on the scale (with the hitch load not on the scale) and you see more than 3,640#, you are overweight on the axle. The scale reading will also include any weight transferred to the TM axle by the WDH if it is active.

In the case of the TM 3326K it is still 3,640# per axle or 7,280# with both axles on the scale. That, however would exceed the TM 3326 GVWR of 5,070#.

Jerry

Pretty smart on TM's part, squeezing another 140 pounds to the spec. Thanks for the answer Jerry, only now I don't feel so smart not figuring out the reason. Robert

Oh and thanks for the pictures of the drone engines. The nozzle looks like a rocket nozzle not like a jet nozzle. I think Wikkapedia needs a correction on the correct description of the engine too.

[cochise]

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has a name for this: FALSE AND DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING.

" False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading advertising. Truth in labeling refers to essentially the same concept, that customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label".

TM advertises the Elkmont as weighing 2498 lb with 320 lb tongue weight. When in reality it is much more. This entices potential customers with little or no knowledge of the "Industry jargon" to believe that they can tow the Elkmont with the SUV they have. And a lot of people love the camping aspect, myself included, and therefore tend to put up with the exaggerations, and hope that nothing serious will happen. And I also realize that TM is not the only one doing it, but they are very aggressive in their marketing efforts.

My 2007 2619 has a 500 lbs tongue weight. I'm not sure what a new one would have, nor do I know exactly how much my stuff weighs (but I did pack fairly light and had no water in the camper).

See my post on this:
http://www.trailmanorowners.com/foru...ad.php?t=10046

Originally Posted by grakin

My 2007 2619 has a 500 lbs tongue weight. I'm not sure what a new one would have, nor do I know exactly how much my stuff weighs (but I did pack fairly light and had no water in the camper).

See my post on this:
http://www.trailmanorowners.com/foru...ad.php?t=10046

Thanks this helps a lot. Question would it be possible to fill up the propane tanks at the destination? Risky but the tanks pretty much add almost 50lbs to the hitch.

Also does your TM have the optional cabinets? And finally am I correct in my thinking that a WDH could shift 100lbs off the hitch?

[cochise]

Originally Posted by ZekenSpider

TM (with the blessing of Dexter Axle) has changed the way it calculates the Gross Axle Weight Ratings (GAWR). It is now 3,500# plus the weight of tires, rims & drums (items that are not carried by the axle). The axle is still limited to carry only 3,500#, but when you weigh the TM, the scale sees the TM on top of the axle plus the left and right side tires, rims brakes & drums that carry the axle. This total of both values is 3,640# (3,500# + 70# + 70#).

If you weigh the TM with the axle only on the scale (with the hitch load not on the scale) and you see more than 3,640#, you are overweight on the axle. The scale reading will also include any weight transferred to the TM axle by the WDH if it is active.

In the case of the TM 3326K it is still 3,640# per axle or 7,280# with both axles on the scale. That, however would exceed the TM 3326 GVWR of 5,070#.

Jerry

Here is the definition of GAWR:

GAWR: Gross Axle Weight Rating
The MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WEIGHT each axle assembly is designed to carry, as measured at the tires, therefore including the weight of the axle assembly itself. GAWR is established by considering the rating of each of its components (tires, wheels, springs, axle), and rating the axle on its weakest link. The GAWR assumes that the LOAD IS EQUAL ON EACH SIDE.

[ZekenSpider]

Originally Posted by cochise

Here is the definition of GAWR:

GAWR: Gross Axle Weight Rating
The MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WEIGHT each axle assembly is designed to carry, as measured at the tires, therefore including the weight of the axle assembly itself. GAWR is established by considering the rating of each of its components (tires, wheels, springs, axle), and rating the axle on its weakest link. The GAWR assumes that the LOAD IS EQUAL ON EACH SIDE.

That is correct, but to clarify what I said: The GAWR as stated (placarded) for a TM is the designed weight carrying limit of the Dexter Axle (3,500#) plus the rotating components (140#) which the axle does not carry.

All of the rotating components are designed to carry at least 3,500# and none are the weakest link (if properly maintained). That is why TM changed the placarded GAWR from 3,500# to 3,640# a few years ago. I think they also realized the 14" wheels were marginal and increased the size in 2010 to 15".

Jerry

I have not tried using a bathroom scale as in the example below, but the math is right. If you are worried that 3 foot of board is too much for your scale, go to 4 foot and multiply by 4 instead of 3.

http://www.rverscorner.com/tongueweight.html