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05-16-2022, 09:50 PM
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No power to the 12v marker lights
In the middle of upgrading to new LED marker lights on my 2005 2720 all stoped working. Unsure why since ai was working on the front half and did get one led to fire up.
Tested the 7 pin and am getting 12.37 volts to the green marker light pin on the tow vehicle. But no power now to either the front or rear halves. Checked fuses and both fuses are fine. Rear break light, turn signals and reverse lights all work fine.
Can someone explain how I can begin to track what the issue is? How to find a short ect?
Suggestion where to go from here?
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05-16-2022, 10:16 PM
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Also anyone know where the green marker wires from behind the refrigerator go? In other words how does the green wires go up to the two upper halves?
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05-17-2022, 06:23 AM
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The running lights are powered by the tow vehicle, not the TM, so a blown fuse problem would be located in the tow vehicle, not the TM.
Power for the running lights comes into the TM through the Bargman connector. Since you continue to see 12 volts at the Bargman, the problem must be in the TM wiring. These light problems are very often due to a bad ground in the TM wiring, so your best approach might be to make sure that 12 volts is showing up at the running light fixtures, and if it is, start examining the grounds. Use the wiring diagram that came with the TM for help in locating the ground points.
Bill
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05-17-2022, 10:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill
The running lights are powered by the tow vehicle, not the TM, so a blown fuse problem would be located in the tow vehicle, not the TM.
Power for the running lights comes into the TM through the Bargman connector. Since you continue to see 12 volts at the Bargman, the problem must be in the TM wiring. These light problems are very often due to a bad ground in the TM wiring, so your best approach might be to make sure that 12 volts is showing up at the running light fixtures, and if it is, start examining the grounds. Use the wiring diagram that came with the TM for help in locating the ground points.
Bill
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Hi bill..I agree with you. Since the is NO power at all to either front or back shells it must be the wiring from the bargman or the bargman itself. I have a new 16 foot bargman female plug and wire that should replace my existing one currently. So hope this will fix this. I do have 12.37 volts at the toe vehicle for the marker lights so there is power there.
Do you know where the green marker light wires go after they exit the refrigerator area? And is there two green wires splitting off the bargman? One for the front shell and one for the rear? They have to be going up the side arms but from there how does the wire get to the back and front of the shells?
Lastly I may have to rewire the front markers completely because I had to tug on the wires pretty good to make a connection. I don't see a ground anywhere in the front and did check the TM wiring diagram that indicates there is one someplace. I just can't find it and there is sheet metal in front of those wires in those front cabinets. What a pain in the tuhus.
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05-18-2022, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by coralcruze
Do you know where the green marker light wires go after they exit the refrigerator area? And is there two green wires splitting off the bargman? One for the front shell and one for the rear? They have to be going up the side arms but from there how does the wire get to the back and front of the shells?
Lastly I may have to rewire the front markers completely because I had to tug on the wires pretty good to make a connection. I don't see a ground anywhere in the front and did check the TM wiring diagram that indicates there is one someplace. I just can't find it and there is sheet metal in front of those wires in those front cabinets. What a pain in the tuhus.
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Your first assumption regarding the green wires is correct. There are two separate green wires going from the bottom refrigerator area, one each up the rectangular white tubes supporting the shells. The green wires are located inside the black sheathing.
The electrical diagrams that came with my TM show the green wire travels down the inside center of the front shell ceiling, tucked inside the wire track. The track cover is easily removed to access the green, black and white wires. Be aware that re-installing the wire track cover is a challenge as the wires tend to cross. Best to tackle that job with an assistant. The same front shell wiring diagram shows the location of the ground, and as you guessed, it is indeed hidden behind a piece of sheet metal. I haven't investigated how to remove that piece in order to access the wires and the ground.
My rear shell electrical diagram indicates the green wire runs inside, along the top corner of the curb side wall, where the wall meets the roof. You will see a piece of white concave molding in that location. All the wires heading to the running and tail lights should be located behind that molding. I have not removed that molding to verify the wires are indeed there. I assume that since the front shell electrical diagram is accurate, so should the rear shell diagram be. Of note is the statement that all running and tail lights are each grounded to the outside shell skin. I have removed the front shell ceiling/wall corner molding when chasing down a water leak and can tell you it is not easy to remove.
Suggestion - locate the two green wires in the bottom refrigerator cavity and disconnect one at a time, then test for voltage. Mine are connected with blue bullet type connectors. The end of the green wire closest to the floor is what goes up the white, rectangular shell support arms. The other end should be coming from the bargman wire bundle. I have no idea where or how the single green wire in the bargman bundle converts to two green wires. Perhaps it takes place in the back of the power supply? You could also run a test wire from the TV plug directly to the green wire going through the refrigerator floor as a check for each shell running lights.
I've attached several thumbnails that should help.
Dick
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05-18-2022, 06:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by commodor47
Your first assumption regarding the green wires is correct. There are two separate green wires going from the bottom refrigerator area, one each up the rectangular white tubes supporting the shells. The green wires are located inside the black sheathing.
The electrical diagrams that came with my TM show the green wire travels down the inside center of the front shell ceiling, tucked inside the wire track. The track cover is easily removed to access the green, black and white wires. Be aware that re-installing the wire track cover is a challenge as the wires tend to cross. Best to tackle that job with an assistant. The same front shell wiring diagram shows the location of the ground, and as you guessed, it is indeed hidden behind a piece of sheet metal. I haven't investigated how to remove that piece in order to access the wires and the ground.
My rear shell electrical diagram indicates the green wire runs inside, along the top corner of the curb side wall, where the wall meets the roof. You will see a piece of white concave molding in that location. All the wires heading to the running and tail lights should be located behind that molding. I have not removed that molding to verify the wires are indeed there. I assume that since the front shell electrical diagram is accurate, so should the rear shell diagram be. Of note is the statement that all running and tail lights are each grounded to the outside shell skin. I have removed the front shell ceiling/wall corner molding when chasing down a water leak and can tell you it is not easy to remove.
Suggestion - locate the two green wires in the bottom refrigerator cavity and disconnect one at a time, then test for voltage. Mine are connected with blue bullet type connectors. The end of the green wire closest to the floor is what goes up the white, rectangular shell support arms. The other end should be coming from the bargman wire bundle. I have no idea where or how the single green wire in the bargman bundle converts to two green wires. Perhaps it takes place in the back of the power supply? You could also run a test wire from the TV plug directly to the green wire going through the refrigerator floor as a check for each shell running lights.
I've attached several thumbnails that should help.
Dick
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You sir are the man... thank you so much this answers my questions 100%. Now it's time to get to work and chase this little devil down. Can't thank you enough for this. Wish me luck... May take me a few weeks but will report back when I find this monster.
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05-17-2022, 07:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coralcruze
Tested the 7 pin and am getting 12.37 volts to the green marker light pin on the tow vehicle.
Suggestion where to go from here?
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Normally, the green wire on your TV is for the turn signals. I believe that you should be looking for the brown wire.
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05-17-2022, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Wavery
Normally, the green wire on your TV is for the turn signals. I believe that you should be looking for the brown wire.
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There are two standards in trailer wiring... one for automotive and one for trailers. They each have distinct colors. So brown in the toe vehicle is green in the Trailer for the marker lights.
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05-17-2022, 10:59 PM
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I downloaded these awhile back. I find it was easier to understand. I hope I do not cause more confusion.
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05-18-2022, 11:23 AM
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Standards be damned, let’s look at the TrailManor schematic… Green is running lights. Brown is right turn/brake.
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