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Old 11-20-2022, 04:11 PM   #1
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Default New to forum, want better mileage!

Hi, we don't own (yet) a TrailManor, but we currently tow an 18 foot trailer that weighs around 3300-3500 lbs with our Highlander Hybrid tow vehicle. We use an extremely heavy WDH which I might change out for an Anderson hitch soon.



I've put a picture of our current tow vehicle and trailer in my photo album on here but can't seem to link to it.

We're getting 12-14 mpg towing and 28-30 mpg without. So we're interested in increasing our mileage and TrailManor's look like a good way to accomplish this.

I'm aware of member "inghamn" who tows a 2720 with their Highlander Hybrid and also of this thread ( https://www.trailmanorowners.com/for...ad.php?t=17827.

So just wanted to introduce myself and say hello! Look forward to attending a meetup someday!

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Old 11-22-2022, 12:34 PM   #2
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I know most people on this forum think I am crazy, but yes I tow my 2720 with a Highlander Hybrid. I've been doing it since 2015 with no issues. The HH is a 2010. I don't get as good non-towing MPG as you do. I am very careful in not over-packing the TM. Fully packed for a trip to the east coast we weighed in right around #3500 for the trailer. The second to last trip I took was to Wallowa Lake State park, OR. I took my son's family, so we had 3 adults and 3 boys in the HH. I did go through and took everything out of the TM that wasn't essential. No issues going up over the pass at 5100 feet. I'm sure you've noticed this - because of the CVT and the electric motor available, you can actually accelerate going uphill, and I'm guessing it does that better than a regular Highlander. Anyway, bottom line, you would be safer than you currently are because the TM is lighter, and you would get better gas mileage.
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Old 11-23-2022, 08:52 AM   #3
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Be aware of a few things.
1. Towing is more about being able to stop in a panic situation.
2. https://lifeonfour.co/car-talk/towin...-transmission/
the most important part of this article is: don't push the limits on your CVT transmission.
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Old 11-23-2022, 12:41 PM   #4
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Thanks for the encouragement!

I would be towing in flat Florida, at least at the outset, so no mountain passes to deal with. I agree with Waverly that stopping is most important, and have to remind myself at the start of any trip to leave a ton of stopping distance. Of course that means people will tend to cut me off and pull in front of me; just back off and arrive safely if lately.

About Toyota's eCVT transmission:
For hybrid models, Toyota actually uses something called an e-CVT system. This is nothing like a classic CVT system. The electric part of the hybrid powertrain uses single planetary gear sets that simulate various gear ratios that efficiently use all of the engineís power. This combined CVT system is incredibly reliable with many Toyota Hybrids like the Prius covering more than 300,000 miles with no problems at all. With proper maintenance, any Toyota CVT system should last you for a lifetime of the car.
I couldn't find a video that deals with the Highlander Hybrid transmission, but here is one that tears down the equivalent Prius unit. Changing the fluid every 50k is important if towing.



Thanks again!
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Old 11-24-2022, 07:21 PM   #5
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You will get better fuel economy with a TM, but don't expect miracles. You're not going to get close to your 28 mpg. You're still going to be towing 3500 lbs + the weight of all your stuff, passengers, propane, etc etc. It's surprising how much the weight adds up.

As for braking, yes, the weight of the TV is important, but a good trailer brake module that adjusts the amount of braking goes a long way to safe braking.
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Old 11-29-2022, 12:12 PM   #6
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I use a 7.3 L diesel 2000 F250 and see no loss of fuel Milage while towing my TrailManor. I have to look to make sure itís still attached. Your slightly underpowered for the tow at maximum capacity of the vehicles limit. I would not worry about your gas mileage but would be more concerned about the wear and tear the engine and transmission is receiving. Braking is critical for your trailer nothing worse than having your trailer pass you in your truck or pushing you into the intersection. Youíll enjoy your trail manor itís great and better than pulling a full sized billboard down the road.
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Old 11-29-2022, 12:42 PM   #7
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I use a 7.3 L diesel 2000 F250 and see no loss of fuel Milage while towing my TrailManor.
Sure but that thing gets what, 3 gallons to the mile?
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Old 11-29-2022, 03:03 PM   #8
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I use a 7.3 L diesel 2000 F250 and see no loss of fuel Milage while towing my TrailManor.
Thank for your response. It makes sense - a car so small that it has trouble hauling itself around will have a challenge when asked to haul something that weighs more or less the same as it does. On the other hand, a vehicle so big that it has enough reserve to haul a semi will see a much smaller challenge when asked to pull the same load. I am somewhere in the middle of that range. My F-150 5.0L gets about 15.5 mpg overall. When we hook up the TM, it drops to about 14.0-14.5 mpg. Both of these are long-term averages, over thousands of miles, and include both flatland and Rocky Mountain travel.

NatureBitz, your Highlander is somewhere toward the light end of this range. Your travel trailer weighs about the same as a TM, but presents a much bigger challenge compared to a TM because of the wind resistance of an upright trailer. You should expect better results with a TM. In the end, it is obviously a tradeoff between non-towing and towing mpg, and there are many factors other than mpg that will drive your choice. It is up to you to choose where you want to be.

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Sure but that thing gets what, 3 gallons to the mile?
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I only calculate hours of operation per fueling (40 gal tank) but I did in the past calculate MPG and run 17 in town and 21 open road/freeway with full load. So not horrible.
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