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11-29-2010, 02:02 PM
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That doesn't sound right to me. We looked at Frontier in 2001 with that motor and it was less then the 2001 S10 we bought with a 4.3 L v-6 at 5000# They must have really changed the Frontier since then.
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11-29-2010, 02:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scrubjaysnest
That doesn't sound right to me. We looked at Frontier in 2001 with that motor and it was less then the 2001 S10 we bought with a 4.3 L v-6 at 5000# They must have really changed the Frontier since then.
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look at 2010 towing guide for nissan(google it) things have changed.
4.0 liter v6 crewcab 5 foot box.
gerry
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11-29-2010, 02:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerrym51
look at 2010 towing guide for nissan(google it) things have changed.
4.0 liter v6 crewcab 5 foot box.
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Just took a look at it. Here is my experience with the 2001 S10 crew cab 4X4.
4.3 L v-6, 4.10 axles. Pulling a Coleman Mesa. We weighed the Coleman while in Alaska this year with all our gear. The pop-up was 2800# total and on the axle it was 2640#. No water in the 20 gal fresh water tank and full propane, two bottles, with a size 27 deep cycle batt. on the tongue. In 2005 the S10 would barely make 50 mph on I-26 south of Ashville NC.
That is why I was curious. The Nissan is most likely a true fuel injection whereas the S-10 was TB. In 2001 the Frontier empty on the road with the same axles as the S-10 didn't have the same feel of power. Here in Florida the S-10 pulled the Coleman fine. I would never have tried pulling our TM with the S-10 as the 2720SL dry looks to be about 500# heavier then the Coleman was loaded. I haven't weighed the TM yet but from a MPG point of view I didn't see any difference between the Coleman and the TM with our gear plus 10 to 12 gallons of fresh water with our current TV. Highway manners of the TM is way better then Coleman ever was. A slight change in loading of the Coleman resulted in sway. I got a lot of practice moving stuff around on the Coleman.
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11-29-2010, 02:53 PM
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trucks in general have greatly improved in last 10 years.
gerry
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11-29-2010, 07:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scrubjaysnest
We weighed the Coleman while in Alaska this year with all our gear. The pop-up was 2800# total and on the axle it was 2640#.
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Oh my. With 2800 pounds total, and 2640 pounds on the axle, that means 160 pounds hitch weight. That's less than 6% of the total weight. Minimum hitch weight is generally agreed to be 10%, and TMs put more like 14% on the hitch, eliminating sway problems. Did you experience any sway problems with the Coleman?
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11-30-2010, 02:40 PM
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We just bought an Elkmont 24 bunkhouse model with sleeper sofa instead of the fixed bed. No kids involved so the bunks allow a tremendous amount of storage. The sleeper sofa is a breeze to set up and we like the adjustable firmness of the inflatable bed.
We tow with a 6 cyl. Mercedes (ML320) and average 12 mpg. Normal highway mileage w/o the Elkmont is around 24 mpg. But, we have towed a 3,500 lb., 26' boat for years and get only 13 mpg with it. The boat is fairly aerodynamic, so the issue for us is not the wind resistance of the of the Elkmont.
We love the Elkmont! We really like being able to pull off and eat lunch, rest and use the bathroom w/o having to "set up".
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11-30-2010, 07:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Upstart
We just bought an Elkmont 24 bunkhouse model with sleeper sofa instead of the fixed bed. No kids involved so the bunks allow a tremendous amount of storage. The sleeper sofa is a breeze to set up and we like the adjustable firmness of the inflatable bed.
We tow with a 6 cyl. Mercedes (ML320) and average 12 mpg. Normal highway mileage w/o the Elkmont is around 24 mpg. But, we have towed a 3,500 lb., 26' boat for years and get only 13 mpg with it. The boat is fairly aerodynamic, so the issue for us is not the wind resistance of the of the Elkmont.
We love the Elkmont! We really like being able to pull off and eat lunch, rest and use the bathroom w/o having to "set up".
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Most boats offer more wind resistance than modern travel trailers and are far from aerodynamic while on the trailer. The boats have very many different shapes and the air moving over the surface is very turbulent. The air moving between the hull of the boat and the surface of the highway becomes highly compressed and hard to move. The air under the hull is constantly trying to "Lift" the boat. The power for that "Lift" is generated from the TV. The modern TT (while big & bulky) moves the air over the surface with relatively little turbulence.
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