I have a 2417. Sorry I cannot measure it for you, but it feels bigger than our 10 foot pup and smaller than our 14ft highwall pup.
We opted to not have a toilet. I did like having it in the 14ft pup, but I wanted to simplify. Our first trip out we went to our favorite primitive CG - which means walking on rough roads to the pit toilets (which had recently been replaced and still had their new 'pit toilet' smell)I think it was a good test of my resolve, and I was fine with not having it.
I did not like the 2417 with the toilet. It really dominates the trailer. We wanted simple,and without it we have a very open and airy space. Set up is a breeze and we have so much storage. I love it.
In a parallel universe we would be 3 days into a three week trip to southern utah, but family illness forced us to cancel,so sadly we have not used it as much as I hoped, but in a couple of months we will make up for lost time.
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