I owned 98 3023 for seven years. Every time I weighed it, the weight on the tires was about 3300 pounds before loading up and 3700 pounds ready to go. The only water included was the 2 gallons in the toilet. The 3300 pounds included a roof top AC, spare tire, two golf cart batteries, propane, awning and basic camping needs like bedding. I would have considered this my "dry" weight. I never weighed the tongue but I would guess it to be 300 to 400 pounds. This would mean a total towing weight of 4000 to 4100 pounds. I don't think the weight of TM's have changed much since they started making them so I don't think the older TM's are any lighter, they just didn't have or include options or batteries and propane in the dry weight.
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Frenchy
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