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Reldma
05-18-2008, 04:37 PM
Just bought our first TM and need to install the electric brakes on a Sienna Van. Been reading discussions on electric brakes an would like to know if the P3 is a good choice for our van. We bought a 2619. Also is this fairly easy to install or should I let a dealer do it? The van came with a tow package when when purchased in 05. Moving up from a popup.
Reldma

ShrimpBurrito
05-18-2008, 05:06 PM
I have the P3 on my Sequoia, and it has worked great. I don't have anything to compare it to, but it is responsive, and I've never had any issues. Installation was easy for me because there was a connector already under the steering wheel that mated with the P3 via a separate wiring harness sold separately (I also have the towing package). Didn't have to run any new wires or make any other connections. Just plug in and mount.

Got it a year ago from pplmotorhomes.com for ~$120 or so, and there was a $20 rebate on top of that. :D

Dave

agesilaus
05-18-2008, 06:02 PM
We just got a P3 when we bought our 2619. Our truck also was prewired so there was nothing much to the installation, drill two small holes for the self tapping screws for the mount, plug it in and that was it. Make sure you pick a spot that you can see the display. Ours is mounted to the right of the steering column, low with it pointing more or less up. Down near your leg.

I had to move it over 3 inches so I could see it better without the steering wheel being in the way.

If you had to wire it yourself then there would be a lot more work, you'd have to identify which wires to tap into in that mares nest under the dash.

BK

Scott O
05-18-2008, 06:07 PM
I agree with Dave. The P3 is a top of the line controller, and installation is a snap if they make a connector from the controller to the plug under your dash - they are brand of vehicle specific. Check with yoiur supplier.

Mr. Adventure
05-18-2008, 07:33 PM
You'll find the P3 tech support people to be outstanding. Call them (their number's in the installation instructions), and they can tell you what wire harnesses are available and read you the descriptions of the wires you'll need to tap into under the dash, if there is no connector in your vehicle.

larsdennert
05-24-2008, 12:48 PM
I have a prodigy too but don't recall the model. They really work great and always seem to apply the correct amount of force. Don't settle for less!

alexcua
05-25-2008, 03:46 AM
I got a P3 last week and I will be installing it in an RX330 which does not have a built in harness for brakes. I will let you know how my install goes. The Sienna should not be any different from mine.

Scott O
05-25-2008, 12:22 PM
Without the factory tow package, which includes wiring from the dash to the plug in the rear, I (who is electrically challenged) would not consider doing it myself. The install of the P3 is easy only with the wiring for the trailer already in place. Otherwise it is way beyond my abilities.

Mr. Adventure
05-26-2008, 06:23 AM
I got a P3 last week and I will be installing it in an RX330 which does not have a built in harness for brakes. I will let you know how my install goes. The Sienna should not be any different from mine.

If you are installing it yourself, Send me an Email and I can tell you what I learned in a similar project.

In general terms, there's a connector in the back that will accept a flat-four trailer connector pigtail. But you still need a brake controller wire and a 12v power wire that you need to get to the trailer connector. Even with the factory tow package, I had to tap into the wires under the dash to connecte these and the brake controller.

alexcua
06-03-2008, 02:34 PM
I was able to get my P3 installed here from a local RV dealer. They had estimated the job at 1.25 hours but ended up taking 3.0. I was charged for 1.25 which makes me a happy camper. I watched the installation and it was not as easy as I had thought. I consider myself to be very technically savvy and yet for the price I paid, I'm glad someone did it for me. It would have taken me longer to research what size wire to use and where it is supposed to go.

My RX330 has a towing package and the harness is located behind the driver's side taillight. You need to remove the plastic bins to gain access to the harness.

We had to run a dedicated wire from the front and the controller all the way to the back. My car was on a lift the whole time.

I had talked to several hitch installers and even our local Camping World here was not confident that they can install the P3 in the RX330. Another one wanted to install a LED converter that costs $200.00. This module was not needed since we already have the harness as part of the towing package. Some guys will try to sell you anything.

I picked up my 2003 - 2720SL last week and the P3 worked beautifully. Looks like I'll be joining this forum soon.

PopBeavers
06-03-2008, 03:30 PM
My RX330 has a towing package and the harness is located behind the driver's side taillight. You need to remove the plastic bins to gain access to the harness.


Just exactly what did you get as the towing package?

To me a factory towing package includes the hitch receiver on the rear with a 7 pin Bargman connector already fully wired.

To add a brake controller requires two mounting screws and about 3 feet of cable with plugs on each end. One plug for the controller and the other for the connector under the dash that is also part of the towing package.

It took me about 15 minutes to install a brake controller in my 1500HD with a factory towing package. I did have to install the 30 amp fuse for the charge wire.

You really did not have a tow package. False advertising, it seems to me.

alexcua
06-03-2008, 04:42 PM
A towing package on a mid size SUV is usually larger radiators, alternators and the transmission cooler and the wiring harness for the 4 way connector. Since the hitch is not preinstalled, the harness stops short at the trunk.

As for my RX330, I can get a 4 way harness from Lexus that just plugs in to the existing socket but it does not have a brake control. So this makes it tricky.

For truck based SUVs, you get all the parts and only need the brake controller.

New trucks now even have the brake controller as STD.

larsdennert
06-03-2008, 07:52 PM
I ran #8 wire from the battery for the charge circuit as I already had it back there supplying an inverter. Overkill but the trailer stays charged. With a trailer 4 pin only the controller lead is missing to the rear. I didn't bother with the reverse as I can't see anyway. A good ground lead for the controller is important.

PopBeavers
06-03-2008, 10:14 PM
A towing package on a mid size SUV is usually larger radiators, alternators and the transmission cooler and the wiring harness for the 4 way connector. Since the hitch is not preinstalled, the harness stops short at the trunk.

As for my RX330, I can get a 4 way harness from Lexus that just plugs in to the existing socket but it does not have a brake control. So this makes it tricky.

For truck based SUVs, you get all the parts and only need the brake controller.

New trucks now even have the brake controller as STD.

They must be assuming no one would ever tow a camping trailer. A camping trailer, as opposed to a utility trailer, that weighs over 1500 pounds in CA is required to have brakes. Of course, they could be surge brakes. Utility traielrs don't require brakes unless they weigh more than 3000 pounds.

We bought an RX350 this past January. I nenver thought about a towing package. I could perhaps tow the atv trailer (2000 pounds). The RX350 gets slightly better mileage (22) than my Dakota (17). I don't think I could tow my TM, 4200 pounds.

alexcua
06-04-2008, 04:01 AM
We bought an RX350 this past January. I nenver thought about a towing package. I could perhaps tow the atv trailer (2000 pounds). The RX350 gets slightly better mileage (22) than my Dakota (17). I don't think I could tow my TM, 4200 pounds.

Why is your TM 4200 pounds? The RX350 can go 3500 pounds with the towing package and dealers usually put that in because it is just a $150.00 upgrade. On my trip from Florida to Georgia, I was averaging 15mpg @ 65mph. It was uphill most of the time as Atlanta is 1000 above sea level. 16mpg should be expected on flat terrains.

Mr. Adventure
06-04-2008, 06:02 AM
Why is your TM 4200 pounds?

Our opinions are always colored by our own experiences. In my own case, I once found a full sized Ford van to be well short of what it should have been as a tow vehicle, but that was 15 years ago and it would have performed better with a TrailManor.

More to the point, different people use these trailers differently. If camping means regularly climbing mountain passes out west with 40gal of water (320 pounds) and a generator along with several hundred more pounds for a heavy hobby, they use more tow vehicle capacity than those who don't haul all that stuff and mostly stay at altitudes under 5000 feet in camp grounds with hookups. Their weekends weigh a lot more than my weekends.

PopBeavers
06-04-2008, 09:17 AM
Why is your TM 4200 pounds?

Because of the amount of stuff that I take. I weighed it once. It weighed 3380 on the axle. I am guessing on the tongue weight. I have no doubt that I am over 3500.

I leave home with 49 gallons of water (40+6+3) for about 400 pounds. Six outdoor chairs, two outdoor tables, two green fake grass mats, free standing awning with walls, generator, outdoor stove, reclining lounge chair for outside, small bbq, fire pit, plus the normal stuff, dishes, food, cold beverages.

It adds up real fast. The average TM owner, it seems to me, carries an average of about 1000 pounds beyond the base weight of the TM, except for the few people that intentionally travel light.

I carry 5 bicycles in the back of the TV, and 5 adults in the TV.

Recently we added two motorcycles and two ATVs. So now I take a second truck to tow the ATV trailer and carry one of the motorcycles. If we take the ATVs and dirt bikes then we do not take the mountain bikes.

I can not park a toy hauler in my garage, thus the TM. The ATV trailer and the ATVs are in the side yard. My motorcycle is also my daily driver to work. My son's motorcycles is dirt only and he stores that at his house.

alexcua
06-04-2008, 12:46 PM
I leave home with 49 gallons of water (40+6+3) for about 400 pounds. Six outdoor chairs, two outdoor tables, two green fake grass mats, free standing awning with walls, generator, outdoor stove, reclining lounge chair for outside, small bbq, fire pit, plus the normal stuff, dishes, food, cold beverages.

I carry 5 bicycles in the back of the TV, and 5 adults in the TV.

Recently we added two motorcycles and two ATVs. So now I take a second truck to tow the ATV trailer and carry one of the motorcycles. If we take the ATVs and dirt bikes then we do not take the mountain bikes.

Man! When I grow up I want to be just like you!!!:):)

PopBeavers
06-04-2008, 12:59 PM
Man! When I grow up I want to be just like you!!!:):)

With both kids out of college I can now afford to spend some of my money on myself. If I wait much longer I will be too old to ride ATVs and motorcycles. I already crashed the motorcycle once.

We might be adding either a pair of kayaks or a canoe. I guess I'm going to need some racks on one of the trucks next.