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garyandrene5047
01-14-2008, 10:14 PM
This will be our first trailer purchase and prefer the TM after very thorough research. We are going to make a purchase within the next two months in either style, however, would like to know from the experienced which would be most comfortable for the money and for us. My husband is 5'11" and I am 5'10" in our late40's early 50's no pets or children. Am looking at a 3124KS for the space, comfort and layout but also would entertain purchasing a 2720SL, 2720SD or the 3023 if convinced just as comfortable. Will be towing with a Toyota Four Runner Sports Edition. Any suggestions or advice? Thank you.

Bob&Karen
01-15-2008, 06:32 AM
My wife and I really like our 3124KS. Like you, we are in our 40's/50's and don't have children at home anymore. We do, however, travel with three Boston Terriers. Given that, a 2720 will not work for us as "the boys" like having the little bit of extra space. The 3124KS and 2720SL are pretty much the same floorplan, with the 3124 being just a little longer. Only other differences are a king bed, more counterspace (my wife likes that), and more storage.

We tow with a Ford Expedition without any issues. I've never weighed the TM loaded for travel, but I'd estimate around 4300 lbs. I'm not sure how the Four Runner compares with the Expedition for towing but I'm sure someone will chime in.

Have you looked at both floor plans in person? That may be the best way to decide. That's what happened to us. We were initially thinking we wanted a 2720SL. Went to the dealer, ready to purchase, and looked at the 3124KS. DW was hooked. So, that's the one we bought.

Regards,
Bob

mtnguy
01-15-2008, 07:14 AM
Even though I only have the 2720, I have a friend that has the 2720sl, and that puppy is sweet.....maybe 1 of the 2 models mentioned here in the future for me.....I hope, I hope.:)

Deciding between the 2 would be difficult. You would have to decide if the king bed (where you can sleep with your feet towards the hall, preventing you from having to crawl across your bedmate) in the 3124ks, is more beneficial than the extra 320 lbs. of tow weight in that model over the 2720sl. A lot would depend on your tow vehicle towing capicities. With a 5000 lb tow limit, a fully loaded down (with AC, awning, cabinets, camping gear etc.) 3124ks might be getting close to that figure. If you have a larger tow rating on your vehicle, then I would think it would less of an issue. And the extra 4' of tow length might tax the ability of the 4 Runner in a panic situation.

mtnguy
01-15-2008, 07:25 AM
garyandrene5047,

In checking out the Toyota website, some of the 4 Runners are rated to tow up to 7300 lbs. But the wheelbase is only 110"s, so that would be a concern for me in going to a bigger unit.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Chap

Scott O
01-15-2008, 09:14 AM
I agree with the possible tow vehicle problem. I do not think I would be tempted to tow the larger trailer with that vehicle. As far as the trailer choice, the suggestion to see both in person is a good one. The major differences are bed size, seating places, and floor space. Guess it may just depend on how cozy you like to be. And maybe storage! Bottom line is that you can't go wrong with either if you get the TV question sorted out. Now having said that, if we had unlimited funds, I would have purchased the larger trailer, a new Tundra truck, and extended the garage to fit!!!

NYJeff
01-15-2008, 01:46 PM
My wife & I are looking also; here's what important to us:

[1] The 3023 is the largest that will fit into my garage.
[2] I love the 2720SL floorplan but we actually prefer to [u]sleep[\u] in different beds & the couch isn't big enough.
[3] The 2720 -vs- 3023 debate isn't really significant due to the approximately $3300 price difference (I think I'm willing to pay that for the bigger trailer).
[4] We like the idea of more comfortable couches rather than the standard dinette for the inevitable bad weather days - just feel they'd be easier on my back & rear end but haven't actually compared the two.

I sure wish TM had a bigger dealer network. I've e-mailed my "local" dealer several times with questions. Without fail, the guy answers one question & ignores the others. I reply back & get another answer in a few days. It's like he doesn't want to be bothered but unless I'm willing to buy used (I am for the right deal) or drive a long way, I'm stuck. Frustrating.

But I digress. Best of luck to you & your spouse as you search for your perfect TM.

bfezel
01-15-2008, 04:38 PM
After staring out looking at Hi-Lo's we decided that a TM was for us. Next came the model decision. We decided that the 3124KS was the one that met our needs...king bed and a generous living room. I am 69/wife is 58 and we travel alone. After searching all the deals on the web for several months I came across a lightly used 3124KS at a "steal" price and bought it sight unseen. Have not regretted it. We tow with a 2002 Tundra and have absolutely no problems. Our best to you as you make this decision. Like others have suggested I would urge you to go to a dealer (even if you have to drive some distance) and view first hand the models that interest you. Make sure they have a variety of models in inventory before making the trip. Not everyone will be carrying the 3124KS on their lot.

Bill

Rich_in_Tampa
01-15-2008, 07:31 PM
Another vote for the 3124KS, which we own. The trailer is a pleasure. Personally, I enjoy the extra length. The bedroom is far enough from the living room that you really feel a sense of your own space. Storage is adequate for us.

When you compare the different lengths, imagine the two of you in the trailer for a few waking hours (e.g. bad weather). Also, the kind bed was a priority for us and we find it very comfortable.

We tow with a Sequoia and find it just about perfect. I look in the rearview from time to time just to make sure the TM is still back there. Almost bought a 4Runner which would pull it fine. We went up to the Sequoia just for the principle of it and because my wife used it well in her real estate job.

larsdennert
01-15-2008, 07:40 PM
Since you said you have an SE model 4Runner it would have to be an '03 or newer which has at least a 6000lb tow capacity. We love our 2720 but it is the most I want to tow with our earlier 4Runner. If you have the space to store it, get the biggest you can fit and afford. The baths are all the same size so the rest of the layout is what to focus on.

jniles
01-15-2008, 09:04 PM
We have the 3124KB and would not consider anything less. Have two small dogs but the kids are gone. However at times we have had 18 people sitting around in ours when all of the Kids and our 10 grand kids are all camping together. Love to sleep long ways and not crawling over my lady in the night.

We tow with both a Jeep Cherokee in line 6 cylinder using an equalizer hitch and an F150 four wheeled drive without the equalizer. Except in the mountains both do very well. When the trailer is loaded it is still not exceeding the capacity of the little Jeep but we don't take it to the Rockies.

Go for the storage and counter space. You won't be sorry.

BrigCA61
01-16-2008, 07:12 AM
From the looks of the new "wanted" post, seems Gary and Rene have made up their minds! It's a moot point now, but we have the 2027SD, are 2 adults with 3 dogs and are very comfortable in it. We like traveling as light as possible (we owned a Jeep Liberty 6cyl. when we made our purchase). Also, it fits perfectly in our driveway... we would not have been able to do this with the larger one.

Bill & Lisa
01-16-2008, 12:50 PM
My vote would be for the 3124...had a 3023 and in the same age range. climbing over one another to use the bathroom in the middle of the night normally resulted in the other being awaken, normally with a foot where it really shouldn't have been.

Bill

lnussbau
01-19-2008, 05:49 AM
We're a couple with no children or pets, and our 2720SL is great most of the time. Having the SL model gives us extra living space, which we consider a necessity. On occasion we'd like to have something larger, though, and it'd be nice to have the king bed, as well.

So if your budget, tow capacity and storage space allow, I'd go for the larger model.

Bill
01-19-2008, 09:50 AM
I have been in a few places where there were serious limits on the length of the trailer. These limits can result from the length of the campsites, or the condition of the roads on the way in. For example, there is a beautiful campground in the Chiricahua Mountains of Arizona where the interior road is pretty good, except that there are a couple deep drainage swales. A too-long rig would drag as you enter and leave the swale (I've watched it - it is ugly). There are a couple campgrounds in Oak Creek Canyon (Sedona, AZ) that were built in the 50's or earlier, and the sites are short.

If you plan always to camp in a commercial campground, then any length is acceptable. But if you want to go out into National Parks, State Parks or BLM lands, bigger is not always better.

Bill

P and B
01-19-2008, 02:54 PM
My wife and I did a lot of looking around and decided on the TM like you. We then had to consider models. We first thought the 2720 was "right" for us but didn't like the idea of having to crawl over each other when we get in and out of bed. We bought the 3124 KS ultimately. We tow it with a Mercedes ML320 and, while it does fine (16mpg too), I think we are maxed for what we should/can tow. That said, I think Bill pointed out that the 2720 is less than 400 lbs heavier so it's not a huge difference. Mountains are the issue really and I just go as fast as I can. Towing doesn't seem to raise the engine temp much either on the Mercedes but I keep an eye on all that when I'm going up long steep inclines.

I think you'll like the 3124KS interior layout better than the others but it's a personal thing for sure.

Good luck.

Bill
01-19-2008, 05:10 PM
P&B -

You mentioned that the engine temperature doesn't increase. A couple other people have said the same thing - see the posts from the guy who pulled his TM to Alaska with a small car and bragged that the engine temperature never rose a bit.

I'll be the bearer of bad news. Perhaps your Mercedes is different, but most engine temperature "gauges" don't read out engine temperature any more. They are simply a glorified idiot light. There is a special circuit that makes them come up slowly when the engine first starts, and from then on, they simply sit at midscale. This indicates "Normal" operating temperature. If the engine overheats, the exact same switch that is used for the idiot light snaps on, and the "gauge" immediately goes to maximum. So, just like the idiot light, the gauge has two states - gauge at midscale (light off) and gauge at max (light on).

You can buy an aftermarket temperature gauge so you can see if the temperature is creeping up. And they are not expensive or hard to install. But without one, you just can't draw any conclusions.

Bill

PopBeavers
01-20-2008, 08:35 AM
Don't forget to keep an eye on the transmission temperature as well. Not a TVs have a temperature gauge for the automatic transmission fluid.

My 1500HD truck never gets anywhere close to being hot for the engine. But on a hot day and climbing long hills the transmission temperature went up substantially.

Rodlin
01-20-2008, 04:45 PM
You mentioned transmission temps, and we are new to TMs, and will pick up our 2720SL in a few days! Excited to do the first shake down outing in our back yard!!! This decision was after many months of research and walking around dealer's lots....

How many folks have add on transmission coolers. I will be about 1500 lbs below the towing capacity of the TV with the TM and its "load". My TV did not come with a cooler, but did come with the factory receiver hitch and underdash plug-in for the Electronic Brake Controller.

Thanks

Rodlin
01-22-2008, 12:02 PM
Being new to TMs and this site, I found how valuable the search option can be! The question on transmission coolers has many sources of information spread throughout the forum..

Rod

Pat Stafford
02-29-2008, 05:35 PM
My wife and I have one Cocker and lived in our 3124KS for a year. We love it, still speak to one another and think the added room was well worth it.

Good luck in your selection.

Buck Mills
03-05-2008, 06:14 PM
I was almost certain of the 3124SD and I may still go that route. Going to look at them this weekend. I currently have a Chalet XL1910 which is almost 20 ft to tow. Was thinking the 3124 is only 4 feet more. But then I think about those places I go where the 20 ft was questionable.

Buck

larsdennert
03-05-2008, 06:52 PM
I looked long and hard at the Chalet 19xx models because I really like them too but my conclusion in the end was that I would be towing the same size closed box of about 20' long and 5' tall with the Chalet or the TM.

I think the Chalet is less work to set up as there are only two electric walls and two fold up vs two shells, slide the beds, the door, and velcro flaps. It's not much extra work compared to all the other packing involved in a trip and all the other stuff you do while trailing like hookups and leveling. I liked the tremendous space under the Queen bed on the Chalet as well as being able to crawl in to grab something out of the fridge without full set up. It's lighter too but that turned out not to be a concern or trouble for our truck.

What's better on the TM? Wow the space! Two dedicated beds and another dinnette conversion. More spacious bath with a holding tank for the toilet vs a cassette. Lot's of windows standard though you can add some cool ones to the Chalet too. A dinnette that's not cramped in a corner where two diners need to be kids. We have two kids and the Chalet would have been good if it was just the two of us.

Buck Mills
03-05-2008, 08:28 PM
But does a single guy with maybe a pet need the 3124??

ng2951
03-05-2008, 09:59 PM
One of the problems with the TM is storage. In all fairness, all of these folding TT have the same problem, and the TM at least compensates by have more room than most other folding TTs.

What a 3124 really has over the smaller TMs is room. The 3124 and and the 3326 have a lot storage under the bed and some of the cabinets around the trailer. The extra living room space of the KS is really nice too.

Another nice feature is the king size bed. Though you may sleep alone, the king bed allows either to leave the bed without waking the other.

larsdennert
03-06-2008, 10:47 AM
Does anyone need a 50' class A? Replace "need" with "want" and decide what will make you happy.

P and B
03-07-2008, 06:57 PM
We have the 3124KS and tow with a Mercedes ML320. We don't have any problems with it heating up etc. but you won't break any land speed records going up mountains. On really steep inclines I can do 40 mph but no faster. Don't really care though. Just put my blinkers on and sit in the slow lanes with all of my trucker friends. Most of the time I'm doing the speed limit or keeping up with traffic. Don't like to drive 70 in tow so I try to stay around 60 to 65, which I have no problem doing. Weight Distributing hitch is a must and not being a "tow guy", I have to say that the work very well. So much so, in fact, that I often forget I'm towing something.

My wife and I like the extra room and the king sized bed is nice as someone already pointed out. I doubt the extra 320lbs difference in weight of the TM itself makes too much difference with just two people in the TV. Length, well, that's something to consider.

Phil

Bill & Lisa
03-26-2008, 10:32 AM
But does a single guy with maybe a pet need the 3124??

Agree with another response on "need" vs. "want". A lot would depend on how much time you plan on spending in the unit. If you are going on an extended vacation 3-4 weeks, the 3124 gives you alot more storage space for your 'esentials". Also, you may be alone now, but that could change and a 3124 would still meet your combined needs - better and the 2720 anyway.....

Queeniereads
04-04-2008, 01:13 PM
Some of the decision may depend on how much time you plan to spend in the TM. WE like the longer one becuase we hope to be gone for weeks or months at a time eventually. As to towing, we towed our 3124KS with a tow-equipped Mercury Mountaineer and felt that we were too short wheel-based. We had had a very serious accident towing a longer TT several years ago. So, we bit the bullet and just bought a GMC 2500 and our TM will now come out of mothballs. Watch the wheel-base length -- at least as dangerous as towing weight. Queen