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Old 05-05-2017, 08:38 PM
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I did a search for loading a trailmanor, and the best thread I came across so far was this one:
http://www.trailmanorowners.com/foru...hlight=loading

Rick accounts for 1400 lbs extra due to fresh water, battery, AC, food, clothing, etc. I can lift an AC quite easily, so it's certainly less than 100 lbs. a batter may be close to 100 lbs, the fresh water in a 20 gal tank will add 160 lbs. These items will give you a total of 360 lbs tops, unless you're wiring several batteries in parallel to give you longer dry camps.

This leaves 1000 lbs in food and clothing in the trailer. I'm still trying to figure out what accounts for all the 1400 lbs.

I did a simple calculation on the absolute maximum I could load into my 2720:
Wheels are rated at 1870 lbs each. For a perfectly evenly weighted TM (side to side), that give a total maximum weight of 3740 lbs.

(Note: If I need a higher weight limit, I cannot increase the tire rating only, I have to upgrade the wheel too!)

Finding the dry weight for a 2720 was a little tricky as the label is badly faded in my TM. However, Nada states the weight of a 2720sl at 2680 lbs, so I'll go with that. If I use a WDH, I'll assume for now that all the tongue weight is transferred back to the wheel, so I'll go with 2680 lbs on both wheels.

This leaves 3740 lbs total maximum - 2680 lbs dry weight = 1060 lbs for cargo. The 20 gal water tank, battery, AC will add about 400 lbs, leaving me with:

600 lbs left over for food and other cargo.

Not much room left.

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I know that many here are using the OEM 14" rims on older TM, but looking at these calculations, I'm wondering if a lift kit + 15" upgraded wheels + D rated tires should be strongly advised, and instructions for doing so be put into the "Information you won't find anywhere else". I suppose this might seem alarmist, and the last thing we want is to scare potential buyers away from used TM (although the newer ones already have upgraded rims).

So, for an upgrade, I assume I need the following:

1) Lift kit (anyone make this yourselves? I image shipping of 2 tubular steel bars would be quite expensive)

2) 15" rims. Do I need 15x5.5; 5 lugs on 5.5?

3) D rated tires. I noticed that 225/75-R15 Endurance had MUCH higher rating than the 205/75-R15. Would the 225 fit?
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:59 PM
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Larry, My rig is smaller, but this is the tag on the weights of my TM.
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Old 05-05-2017, 09:09 PM
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I wonder what limits the GVWR then. I presume you have the newer 15" wheels. If my wheels are rated as they are, they wouldn't support your GVWR I presume.
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:24 AM
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Is there something about the 2619 that makes it heavier than the 2720?

Your UVW from your picture is 3021 lbs. I assume this is the same as the dry weight. The dry weight of the 2720 is 2865 from the TM website (dinette version). This just doesn't seem right. Perhaps the dry weight advertised on the TM website doesn't include the fridge, microwave, or AC? Just what is the dry weight on the TM website?

However, the 747 lbs CCC seems in line with the 600 I estimated for mine. A point was made elsewhere that as tires age and wear, their effective load capacity diminishes.
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Larry, not sure what to tell you, but I found this old post about weights and it might give you more info than I could.

http://www.trailmanorowners.com/foru...ghlight=weight
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Old 05-06-2017, 04:18 PM
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Bill's estimate of "options" not included in the TM website dry weights of 175 lbs is very close to the difference between the dry weights advertised by TM and those listed on Nada. Makes sense.
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:52 PM
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I am reading all the posts on weight. I am concerned. I just purchased a 2003 3023. Says its about 2900lbs. I have 2016 Wrangler with tow package. Says can tow 3500lbs. Dealer said I can pull it. But posts don't sound like it. Oh no.
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Old 05-06-2017, 10:21 PM
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Others may be able offer better advice than myself, but it looks like you may have to upgrade your tow vehicle or return your trailer. I would think you have grounds to be allowed to return the trailer based on misleading information from a salesperson.

However, if you like the trailer, why not buy an older truck and license it only when you want to tow? I found a great deal on my Tahoe when I got it.
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I am reading all the posts on weight. I am concerned. I just purchased a 2003 3023. Says its about 2900lbs. I have 2016 Wrangler with tow package. Says can tow 3500lbs. Dealer said I can pull it. But posts don't sound like it. Oh no.
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Trailmanor will tell you that you can pull it, too. A lot of folks here don't think it's safe. Towing ratings are recommendations only, and for some reason they are often higher for the same vehicle when it is sold in Europe. And the Trailmanor has less wind profile and a lower center of gravity than other trailers its size. Ultimately what matters is whether you feel safe pulling it.
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Old 05-07-2017, 12:02 AM
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Also keep in mind my calculated amount leftover for cargo was based on maxing out the wheel limit. Because my towing capacity is something crazy like 8000 lbs, I'm not concerned about that limit myself.

If you do feel you can tow it, you will probably need a weight distributing hitch. This will transfer more weight back to the wheels which will probably mean you'll have to upgrade your wheels and tires, and add a lift kit, unless that's already been done.

Also, regarding towing ratings, I recall one member here pushed their towing rating and burned out their transmission. It's not always about safety, but also wear and tear. I see that the Wrangler has a manual transmission, so it may fare better.
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