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Old 03-26-2022, 12:18 PM   #1
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Shane, Rick must be a chemist. Your answer sums up what Rick said in a Nutshe... I mean KitKat wrapper.

The reaction producing rust, most simply put, is:
4Fe + 3O2 -> 2Fe2O3

or more correctly, results from the balanced series of reactions:

4Fe + 3O2 + 6H2O ...-> 4Fe(OH)3
4Fe(OH)3 ................-> 4FeO(OH) + 4H2O
4FeO(OH) .............. -> 2Fe2O3 + 2H2O

If you look closely, the 4Fe(OH)3 and the 4FeO(OH) on each side "cancel" leaving you with the more simple equation equation I wrote above. But, the reaction cannot proceed without the presence of water because it is required in the intermediate steps.

As Rick stated, the metal with the LOWER electrical potential will give up its electrons easier. When Fe becomes Fe2O3 (rust), it has gone from Fe with no charge to Fe3+ because it lost 3 electrons overall. When iron (Fe) gives up its electrons in water according to the process above, that is rusting.

Just so you know, to understand the process completely, you need a grade 12 Chemistry course, and the electrochemistry unit is one of the hardest units in the course.

Tomorrow I will go over how to use the half-cell potentials to put together oxidation/reduction reactions in electrochemical cells, followed by electrolysis.
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Old 03-26-2022, 12:47 PM   #2
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Shane, Rick must be a chemist. Your answer sums up what Rick said in a Nutshe... I mean KitKat wrapper.

The reaction producing rust, most simply put, is:
4Fe + 3O2 -> 2Fe2O3

or more correctly, results from the balanced series of reactions:

4Fe + 3O2 + 6H2O ...-> 4Fe(OH)3
4Fe(OH)3 ................-> 4FeO(OH) + 4H2O
4FeO(OH) .............. -> 2Fe2O3 + 2H2O

If you look closely, the 4Fe(OH)3 and the 4FeO(OH) on each side "cancel" leaving you with the more simple equation equation I wrote above. But, the reaction cannot proceed without the presence of water because it is required in the intermediate steps.

As Rick stated, the metal with the LOWER electrical potential will give up its electrons easier. When Fe becomes Fe2O3 (rust), it has gone from Fe with no charge to Fe3+ because it lost 3 electrons overall. When iron (Fe) gives up its electrons in water according to the process above, that is rusting.

Just so you know, to understand the process completely, you need a grade 12 Chemistry course, and the electrochemistry unit is one of the hardest units in the course.

Tomorrow I will go over how to use the half-cell potentials to put together oxidation/reduction reactions in electrochemical cells, followed by electrolysis.
Thanks for listing the intermediate reactions more concisely and completely. Don't ever let me answer a question about the reactions involved in different types of Lithium batteries, I'd go completely crazy discussing the various types of "doped" anodes.
I'll admit to having a bit of knowledge about redox reactions. However, most of my own 'professional-level' chemistry work, these days, involves the analysis and assessment of biologically "fermented" consumable liquids...
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Old 03-26-2022, 12:19 PM   #3
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Well dip me in chocolate and call me a KitKat bar. I learned something new. I just thought it was because the anode material gave up electrons easier.
And don't Google it. You're smarter than that.
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Old 09-10-2023, 02:58 PM   #4
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Good find, Deb. And good work taking care of it. That rod is a mess.

If grit was back-flowing out of the water heater into the toilet, I imagine it should also grit up the faucets. You might want to pop the aerators off those faucets, and check the screens. It os annpoying when they suddenly won't flow due to grit in the screens.

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Good find, Deb. And good work taking care of it. That rod is a mess.

If grit was back-flowing out of the water heater into the toilet, I imagine it should also grit up the faucets. You might want to pop the aerators off those faucets, and check the screens. It os annpoying when they suddenly won't flow due to grit in the screens.

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I did clear the aerators part way through my trip. Got a bit out but nothing to speak of. I think it only really shows up when the flow is coming wrong way, from the bottom of the heater rather than the top, where it normally exits. Sucks all the crud from the bottom of the tank along with it. And only from the toilet. I think the faucets are a bit too high. Toilet line is relatively low. But I think the shower could have a problem. New shower head, but could have some crud in there.

I’m going to do it again before I close it up for the winter though - coming soon - just to make sure.
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Nicely done. Flush the heater out real nice like and then you may as well sanitize/descale it too!

https://youtu.be/g1KCVXQ-Pbw
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Old 09-11-2023, 03:00 PM   #7
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Nicely done. Flush the heater out real nice like and then you may as well sanitize/descale it too!

https://youtu.be/g1KCVXQ-Pbw
Excellent thought Shane. Thanks for the link….
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