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Old 03-16-2017, 05:00 AM
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If it's a real hike to go check it out, you could do a video chat showing. I did this with a guy in Montana who was selling a 3124KB (I'm in western NY). He fully demo-ed the camper over FaceTime, answered any questions. I was ready to buy it but the distance wound up killing the deal.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:22 AM
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Problem with a video is that it lacks smell which can tell you a lot. OTOH it is convenient.
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You mean to tell me you don't have smell-a-vision?!? You're right. Don't buy it if it stinks. That's just a good bit of life advice.
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A dealer about 1 1/2 to 2 hours away has it. When I asked price they said without a trade $2000.00 as is. In the pictures it looks to be in decent shape considering it's 20 years old.

We've camped out of pop ups most of the 24 years my wife and I have been married. Sold our last one, 2009 fleetwood bayside, because loaded it wasn't much fun to tow with my truck. It was right at its max towing capacity. I'd love to have a TM especially if the trailers unloaded weight is truly 2270lbs. The bayside was something like 2700lb not including extras (AC, awning, furnace, etc).
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Well when you look at it the rated weight sticker should be on the back of the door under the sink.

This is the one for my 2720SL. 2619 is about 200 lbs lighter. Spec sheet shows the dry weight of a 2619 as 2673 lbs. Note that the ULV (as built and I suspect with awning, toilet, and AC) is 400 lbs more than the "dry weight" (advertising).

Surprised you have a tow rating of 3300 lbs, are you sure it isn't 3500 (standard class 2 rating). Do you have an 1.25" or a 2" receiver ?
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I have a 2001 Ford extra cab, v6, 5 speed manual and 3.55 rear axle. The owners manual shows that combination having a 3300lb max towing capacity. When I bought the truck used in 2002 I didn't even think to check the tow cap. The 2 compact trucks I owned before this had almost the same tow cap and figured a full size Ford had to be better. So much for expecting.

We went to look at the TM today. I have to say they people who traded it got there money's worth out of it, it was well worn. The floor from the door opening to the fridge was spongy which caused worry about other wood. the rest of the camper was in poor shape, dirty and several broken items. We decided to pass on it for now. The most I'd want to give for it is $1000.00, less would be better. They have only had it on there lot a couple of weeks. If it's still there in a couple more I may shoot them a low offer and see what happens.
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Subman -

Sad to say, I agree with your decision. Spongy floor = no good. It means water has soaked into the floor and disintegrated the plywood / pressboard subfloor. This is not catastrophic in itself, but it indicates a poor attitude toward maintenance.

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That's sad. There will be one out there for you...don't give up!

In 2003 I drove to Idaho to look at a TM that the owner told me was in great shape. It was rode hard, and put down wet. He had macular degeneration and couldn't really see how bad it was, had loaned it to his kids and well, not a go for us.

But we did end up finding a great one because I drove back home through Salem to visit our relatives, and put out the word; my cousin found me a barely used one that we are still enjoying today.

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That is the best was to find something, particularly something had to find, tell everyone you know and even people you don't that you are looking for one. Put a want ad in CL and the local supermarket. You never know what is going to turn up.

re TV: one not terribly expensive change if a 2WD is the ring and pinion for a lower gear. The only thing difficult about a manual trans and a trailer is getting started. Looks like your trans has a 3.91 1st gear. With a 3.55 and figuring a 31" tire that is almost 7 mph/1000 rpm. A 4.33 would drop that to 5.4 while 70 in 5th would be 3k rpm. If you don't care about above 65, a 4.56 would be 5.6 mph/1000 rpm in 1st. Could also go to a smaller diameter rear tire. Just a thought.

Since the 90s, all of my Tow Vehicles and the RV have had 6 cyk engines. I just like them.

My '6300 lb 86 Vixen RV had a 115hp 2.3 liter Turbo Diesel and a five speed manual. First topped out at 5,000 rpm at 15 mph (in 2nd for speed bumps) while 70 in 5th was about 2500 rpm/5 psi boost. That was ideal gearing with 3 mph at 1000 rpm in first so no need to burn the clutch. Your 4.2 engine has a lot more torque so would probably pull well with a 4.56.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:20 PM
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Yes the manual trans is the week link of my TV. Pulling isn't near as bad as backing up either. That truck with everything the same but with an automatic trans is rated I believe at over 5000lb.
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