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Old 01-15-2010, 06:08 PM   #1
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Ok, I just bought a TM 3124 and towed it from Casper Wyoming to Denver. It towed like it wasn't even there with my V6 4runner, with it's 6000lb towing capacity. I have towed a lot over the years so I know that once I head UP I will see more issues but I plan to take it easy.

My questions are:

1. When is the transmission most stressed, at a constant 3000 RMP and constant speed, or a lower RPM and shifting around. (Auto Transmission)

2. Is it my transmission that is stressed in carrying a big load, or is it more my engine?

3. I am never in a hurry while towing, and am happy behind the slow semi's, so what is the rule of thumb to tow big loads, while trying to be as gentle on the TV as possible?

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Old 01-15-2010, 06:25 PM   #2
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Your engine and transmission are always under more stress when towing or even if you just have a heavy load in the vehicle. More weight causes harder work which produces heat. Heat is your enemy.

Now, more specifically to your question. It is better to have the engine running at a constant RPM that is about 2/3-3/4 of the engines maximum RPM level rather than to have the trans hunting for gears. Some people are afraid that engine uses more fuel at higher RPMs. That isn't necessarily true. If the engine is lugging and hunting for gears, it is probably using more fuel than if you leave it in a lower gear and run the engine at a constant RPM while pulling up a grade (even a small grade).

The higher the RPM the more HP the engine develops and the engine has to work less when it is at a higher RPM (as long as you aren't pedal to the metal) and it produces less heat.

When the trans is "Hunting" for gears, that puts a lot of stress on the (transmission) torque converter and develops a lot of heat. Most of that heat is dumped into the vehicles radiator which in turn will make the engine run hotter. So the answer is....Heat is hard on both engine and trans. They are both connected by the same cooling system and a hot trans = a hot engine and visa versa. That's why it is very important to have the largest auxiliary trans cooler that you can fit in the vehicle.

The other killer is pulling a hill at low speeds (under 35) or sitting in traffic. There is not enough airflow through the cooling system to remove the heat fast enough. That is why I always recommend a trans cooler with a fan.

Here's an example of the fan assisted trans cooler on my Silverado V8. I have the fan wired to the engine cooling fan with a relay so that every time that the radiator fan comes on, the trans cooler fan comes on at the same time.

Another tip on "Keeping Cool" is to use synthetic fluids. Synthetic fluids have far better cooling properties than petroleum based fluids. They also have a higher maximum operating temperature....it's all a win-win. Synthetics are more expensive but it has to be changed far less frequently which makes the fluid changes cost no more but the product is far superior.

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Old 01-15-2010, 08:44 PM   #3
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Excellent information...thank you!
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:44 AM   #4
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I don't mean to sound picky here, but my 2005 V6 4Runner has a tow rating of 5000 lbs.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:25 AM   #5
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Besides synthetic oil, what other "synthetic" fluids are there to consider in the heat equation?

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Old 01-16-2010, 08:11 AM   #6
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I also run synthetic fluid in my transmission and in the differentials. Be sure to check the owners manuals as some differentials require the addition of a small amount of limited slip additive available at most automotive stores. You mention going up and have considered many of the concerns there, but don't forget the coming down part. Most of the energy used in going up needs to be handled when you come down. Be sure to check the braking system and possibly swap out the brake pads for High temp/ heavy duty ones.
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Old 01-16-2010, 09:21 AM   #7
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Besides synthetic oil, what other "synthetic" fluids are there to consider in the heat equation?

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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but lubricating fluids are only 3 places: engine, transmission, differential(s).

I still run Dino oil in my engines. I have been getting 185k to 220k+ so far with that strategy.

My GM trucks have a factory spec of synthetic for the front and rear differentials.

Transmission is ATF. I really don't know what that is.

There is also power steering fluid, but I just don't see towing as impacting that.

Brake fluid should not be impacted by towing, as long as you downshift when going down long steep roads.
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Besides synthetic oil, what other "synthetic" fluids are there to consider in the heat equation?

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Synthetic engine oil is good but (for the cooling aspect) synthetic trans fluid is essential IMO, for dissipating heat build-up through an auxiliary trans cooler.

Few chemicals will dissipate heat better than water. It is important for your trans fluid to pass through your radiator to remove as much heat as possible (unless you have a very big external trans cooler or multiple trans coolers). The addition of an auxiliary trans cooler will assist in removing that heat and keeping from having some of that heat from being dumped into the radiator. However, when using synthetic trans fluid with an auxiliary cooler, it makes the auxiliary cooler 100% more effective because synthetic fluids release heat at a far faster rate then petroleum fluids.

You can also get synthetic power steering fluid. When towing (or carrying any heavy load), there is more stress on your power steering also. I also switched to Synth P/S fluid.
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You can also get synthetic power steering fluid. When towing, there is more stress on your power steering also. I also switched to Synth P/S fluid.
Not that I don't believe you, but I don't see the connection as to why towing would increase the temperature of power steering fluid. I would have thought that the power steering fluid temperature was more related to air temperature and frequency of turning the steering wheel.

For someone towing without WD bars when they should have them, resulting in weight reduction on the font axle, I would have expected that to lower the power steering fluid temperature.
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Not that I don't believe you, but I don't see the connection as to why towing would increase the temperature of power steering fluid. I would have thought that the power steering fluid temperature was more related to air temperature and frequency of turning the steering wheel.

For someone towing without WD bars when they should have them, resulting in weight reduction on the font axle, I would have expected that to lower the power steering fluid temperature.
Some factory tow packages come with a P/S cooler. You can see the P/S cooler on my truck on the right side of the radiator.

Think about how much more maneuvering that you do while towing the trailer. Not necessarily on the open highway but in the city and especially when backing. Backing and turning the wheel multiple times at dead slow speed really heats up the P/S pump.

The other thing is, when you are braking and turning at the same time, there is a lot of load transferred from your tow to your steering wheels. The big heat generator is backing and maneuvering though.

One more thing......petrol based fluids burn quite easily when over-heated just one time. Most have a max operating temp of around 300*. After 300* the fluid (being organic) burns and loses it's lubricating qualities. Synthetic fluids have a max operating temp of around 600* and, by it's composition, does not "Burn".

If you open up most high mileage (and some low mileage) P/S systems, you will find that the fluid is black. Some of that is contaminates but a lot of it is burnt.
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