Looking at a 2007 2720

[kthayes]

Hello,

I am currently looking at a 2007 Trailmanor 2720 to purchase off of Craigslist. I've been looking for a Trailmanor for quite some time as its lightweight design is exactly what we need. However, I have a few questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

1) I have a 2006 Toyota Sienna with the factory towing package. Do you think I will be okay pulling this trailer? I realize their website says it's okay, but I'd love to hear from real owners.

2) The owner says that the AC only runs on 220v. Is this correct? If so, does that mean I have to carry a generator if I want to run the AC? I was hoping I could run the AC at any RV park with plug-ins.

3) The owner knocked the awning off (I'm assuming when trying to park it). How much should I estimate for a new awning?

4) Are there any known issues with the 2007 models?

5) Does the trailer have electric brakes?

I think those are all my questions for now. Thank you so much in advance for your help!

Kurt

[rvcycleguy]

Hello,

I am currently looking at a 2007 Trailmanor 2720 to purchase off of Craigslist. I've been looking for a Trailmanor for quite some time as its lightweight design is exactly what we need. However, I have a few questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

1) I have a 2006 Toyota Sienna with the factory towing package. Do you think I will be okay pulling this trailer? I realize their website says it's okay, but I'd love to hear from real owners.

2) The owner says that the AC only runs on 220v. Is this correct? If so, does that mean I have to carry a generator if I want to run the AC? I was hoping I could run the AC at any RV park with plug-ins.

3) The owner knocked the awning off (I'm assuming when trying to park it). How much should I estimate for a new awning?

4) Are there any known issues with the 2007 models?

5) Does the trailer have electric brakes?

I think those are all my questions for now. Thank you so much in advance for your help!

Kurt

Welcome and good luck on your purchase.

1. My own opinion is the tow rating should be 5000 lbs or better. That's an opinion.

2. Although the TM power cord looks like 220v, and looks like a common household laundry dryer 220v plug, it is not. It's an RV specific plug and will operate on 110v. What the seller may be suggesting is the AC requires a circuit of at least 30amp to run the AC. You can use an adapter on the TM power plug end to reconfigure it to then plug the TM to your standard house or garage wall plugs using a standard 3 prong extension cord. Most homes wall plugs are 20a breaker fuse. The AC in the TM requires at least 20a to start running and may blow or trip the breaker. It's not safe to operate it that way for many reasons.

When you use a an RV camp site with full hookups, the power pole is 110v with plugs at 30amp breakers or 50amp for larger RV use.

3. Yes, the awning can be replaced. Google the manufacturer Fiamma, http://www.fiammausa.com

4. I'm not aware of any issues with the 2007 model year.

5. Yes, the TM has electric brakes. Most US states require brakes on towed vehicles that weigh more than 2000lbs and the TM will weigh a minimum of 3500lbs or more loaded with extras. The tow vehicle will require a 7 way plug that connects to the TM hitch. The tow vehicle will require an electric brake controller to be installed and located in the drivers compartment area under the dash. When installed correctly and operated correctly, when the driver steps on the tow vehicle brakes, the trailer brakes are actuated in direct proportion to slow the trailer properly.

[Padgett]

1) This (http://www.siennachat.com/forum/95-towing-reference/4488-sienna-gen-ii-towing-capacity-2004-2010-a.html) indicates a Class II with the tow package which would be 350/3500 with the tow package. That would be marginal for a 2720 (my 2720SL has a tongue weight of 460 lbs) and will probably need a Weight Distributing Hitch.
2) Unless something has been changed, the factory AC needs 120 VAC/20A.
3) $1000 for the factory (Fiamma) awning plus installation if there is no other damage to the roof.
4) If it has 14" wheels and tires then it probably does not have the lift kit. If 15" it probably does.
5) Yes

[Terryl]

Hello,

I am currently looking at a 2007 Trailmanor 2720 to purchase off of Craigslist. I've been looking for a Trailmanor for quite some time as its lightweight design is exactly what we need. However, I have a few questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

1) I have a 2006 Toyota Sienna with the factory towing package. Do you think I will be okay pulling this trailer? I realize their website says it's okay, but I'd love to hear from real owners.

2) The owner says that the AC only runs on 220v. Is this correct? If so, does that mean I have to carry a generator if I want to run the AC? I was hoping I could run the AC at any RV park with plug-ins.

3) The owner knocked the awning off (I'm assuming when trying to park it). How much should I estimate for a new awning?

4) Are there any known issues with the 2007 models?

5) Does the trailer have electric brakes?

I think those are all my questions for now. Thank you so much in advance for your help!

Kurt

1. I,m sure that your Toyota will be OK if it has a factory towing package. Unless you are towing in the Rockies a lot.
2.If it has a 220 volt AC it must have been replaced. I don't know of any TM 's that ever had a 220 volt AC.
3. I'm sorry I can't tell you the value of a new awning.
4. I've not heard of any specific issues with the 2007 TM's
5. Yes it does have electric brakes.

Having said all that let me tell you to make sure you actually see the TM before committing to buy it. There are TM scammers on Craigs List. I know, I almost got suckered into sending money for one that was a scam. It too was a 2007 2720. If the seller only wants you to communicate via e mail and to send the money on Green Dot cards run don't walk away from it.
I hope it is a lagitimate offer and that you will enjoy it a lot if you purchase it.

Let us know what you do, and if you do buy it the next thing you need to do is to send in your $ 12 to join this site so you can continue enjoying all the good info on here.

Terry

[tentcamper]

I would not be concern with a sienna with a few minor mods to it. The hitchs out there are Class III for the sienna. don't get the class II.

For years we tow with a 2001 sienna that had the 3.0L engine. First a 2,500 LB dry popup and than a 2720 TM with a dry weight around 2,900. The 2006 has the 3.3L with more HP than my sienna. Just this year we went to the highlander. It would have been the new sienna, but the DW could not stand the seat in the new ones.

For these size campers, I really like the sienna with the 60% weight up front and 40% on the rear. Very stable TV, handles well and you get around 18 mpg towing and around 25 mph not towing. It tow great in our area and is OK when we go to the mountains which is about 25% of our trips. It does slow down on 6% or greater grades. Your sienna has about 20% more HP so your slow down grade will be a greater percentage than my 2001. Greatest grad we went up was 14.5 Interstate highways are limited to 7% or maybe it's 7.5%. If I lived in the mountains and did all my camping in the mountains. I would have moved to a V8 with this last TV.

I would check to make sure you have the factory transmission cooler. With a flash light, on the driver side, look through the opening where the fog light would be,or next to the fog light. Straight back in front of the inter fender well, you should see a small radiator (transmission cooler). If you don't have it you will need to have an after market cooler added. No big deal, less than $250 to have someone install it or less than $100 DIY, using an after market cooler. If needed, I would get a B&M supper cooler with the highest BTU rating that you can fit.

Also, have your transmission fluid flushed twice as often as the schedule and change the fluid to syntactic if available. We follow these maintenance changes and have had no issues with the transmission and have over 200K on the sienna, with well over 40K of those miles pulling a camper.

You will need to add air bags or improve the rear springs. $250 to have someone do or less than $100 DIY.

I would also get a 600LB WDH, because the sienna capacity with out a WDH is 350 lbs on the tongue. If you need to add a hitch, get the factory one it has the greatest ground clearance. If you decided to go after market get a curt it has the highest ground clearance of the after market hitch.

PS: If you have no opening around where the fog light is or where it would be? It's a sure sign you do not have an external transmission cooler.

[Redtail Cruiser]

Hi Kurt, Many here use mini vans or equal to pull a 2720; however when I load my 2007 2720 with a weeks worth of camping supplies, it weighs close to 4,000 lbs with a tongue weight of 475 lbs. You will be pushing the upper limits of any vehicle that only has a 3,500 lb tow capacity. At the very least you will want to use a WDH and stay out of the mountains. Even with a factory tow package your engine and tranny will have a much shorter lifespan.

[Bill]

Let me reiterate one of the most important of the comments above.

Do not EVER, for ANY REASON, plug your TM into a 220 Volt outlet, even for a moment. Everything in a TM (and almost any other RV) is designed for 120 volts. Plugging into 220 volts will damage almost everything electrical, almost instantly, including the air conditioner, the converter/charger, quite possibly the furnace and water heater control modules, and so forth. Lots of expensive parts.

Go inside the TM, and look up at the air conditioner grille on the ceiling. It is easy to remove that plastic grille. Inside you will find a label that identifies both the make/model of the air conditioner, and its power requirements. Read it, and post back if you need any assistance interpreting it.

My guess is that RVCycleGuy is right. The previous owners never used the airco, and the TM's big power plug looks to them like the plug for an electric dryer. But to be sure that they didn't plug into 220 at some point, and are now not admitting that "nothing seems to work any more", I would follow RVCycleGuy's advice, and get a 120-volt adapter to let you plug that big cord into a standard household outlet. Once plugged in, you can test everything electrical in the TM except the air conditioner's cooling settings. For example, you can start the air conditioner on one of the fan settings, which should confirm that the airco still works.

You may be able to start the air conditioner compressor (cooling) function. Once the TM is connected to 120 volts via the adapter, set the air conditioner to LOW FAN, wait a few seconds for the fan to come up to speed, then switch to LOW COOL. This works about half the time. The worst that will happen is that one of the house's circuit breakers will pop, and you will have to reset it.

Good luck

Bill

[tentcamper]

"AC only runs on 220v"??? I would think this is not correct. The owner is most likely looking at the shore power cord plug, and seeing what looks like a 220 plug used for an electric stove and thinking its 220V. But the shore power cord is a 120V 30 amp plug. Or if the AC is a side mount AC unit, he is looking at a 110V 20A plug and because it is different than a standard 110 plug thinking it's 220V.

Just ask him if the AC runs off the campground camp site power. It is does, it's 120V. I'm am not aware of any campground that has 220V at the camp sites.

PS just read bill's post. we must have been writing at the same time. I like his idea to pull the cover.

[Chilean]

AC
I run my AC using a trafo , be carefully, they are 110--120 volts only
The trafo is in put 220 volts and out put 110.
I am in Chile and it is 220 volt country.
Regards

["trafo" = transformer]

[rvcycleguy]

If you examine a 220v plug end and the RV plug, they are similar but different. Both are close in size and weight and a 3 prong terminal end but one of the 3 is a slightly different angle and will not fit to each other. Also, there is a small metal tang on one of the 220v prongs that is specific to 220v.

I had an instance camping where my power pole cord end shorted out and melted. We ventured out on a holiday weekend looking for a repair end. I examined a 220v end backwards and forward for a temporary repair and it will not adapt.

Some of what the OP offers for questions related to a conversation with the seller suggests to me that the seller is not an informed seller or owner of the TM. The missing awning is a red flag to me in terms of a quality unit. It's a red flag for other maintenance issues or items. Questions arise to me as whether the original AC is installed, is the original refrigerator still installed, any water leaks, flooring issues, lighting that does not work in some areas of the floorplan that indicate electrical issues. Do your due diligence to answer many questions that you may have and others are asking. If you decide to see the TM in person, take a friend that is reasonably acquainted with RV in general as a second pair of eyes to look for potential issues.

[moaboy]

Your Sienna will be fine as long as you don't overload the tv or TM. I pulled very nicely for years with my 2000 Honda Ody.

If u get serious about this unit on CList spend time with it. Do not be in a hurry. I'd spend at least an hour inspecting it from top to bottom.
Search this forum for the many suggestions as to what to look for.
IF the seller pushes you or wants you to be in a hurry, then take a pass on it. If you were to agree to buy it "as is" I would only do so if you could buy it VERY much at a discount.
Patience is hard, but very much a virtue in situations like this.
Good luck.

[Padgett]

Don't know what you have but this (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Mighty-Cord-RV-30-Amp-120-Volt-Male-Replacement-Plug-RV30AMRP/204629391)is a standard 125v 30A RV plug. Home Depot and Lowes usually have a large selection of different plugs and sockets in stock.

I have adapters to connect to a 120v leg of a 220V dryer plug and to a 20A 120v and a few others. I consider my camper to be a mobile guest room.

[Chilean]

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2008-Trailmanor-Trailmanor-M-2720SD-113111697


I Just bought this one , just to dayI thinks in 40 days is arriving home here in Chile.
My daugther is waiting , she is doing a nice upgrade from a Fleetwood Saratoga to a 2720 Trailmanor 2008.
Regards
Chilean

[TrailManorMan]

Congrats, hope your daughter enjoys!:)

[Padgett]

Neat, I bought mine from Camping World Ocala and they did not understand it either. Got a lot of Good Sam (same company) stuff along with it.

[LoveToCamp]

Let us know when it arrives. What does it take, once it is on-board a ship? Three weeks? A month? Glad you got something worked out, so it can be shipped!

[kthayes]

Wow! You guys are awesome! Thank you for the info and advice. I went and looked at the trailer yesterday. The guy had the trailer plugged into a 110v outlet with a high amp breaker. I mentioned that I thought the AC would run on 110 and he still didn't think it would. He said that he had to run it off of 2 generators when he used it (he didn't ever use it as they typically visited colder areas). I asked if I could try it and he didn't mind. I turned the switch and sure enough it was pumping out cold air :) He was surprised as he thought it had to use 220v.

Overall, the trailer looks pretty clean for a 2007. Some minor issues, like a missing clamp down clip on the front piece that raises up.

The only major issue I can find is that the awning is missing. Other than that, it looks like normal wear and tear.

I did find that it is a 2619 and not a 2720. The guys wife posted the Craigslist ad and I think she was guessing on the model number. Anyhow, are there any known issues with the 2619? From what I can tell, it is the exact same as the 2720, only a foot shorter.

Thanks again for all of the information. You guys are great!

[rvcycleguy]

The reason the seller needed 2 generators is they were too small. It takes a 4000w gen to run the AC. I think some here have used 2 gens of 2000 ea or at least one of 3000w.

Can you share the asking price? Is the missing clamp on the front corner or in the middle of each side?

RV

[kthayes]

The reason the seller needed 2 generators is they were too small. It takes a 4000w gen to run the AC. I think some here have used 2 gens of 2000 ea or at least one of 3000w.

Can you share the asking price? Is the missing clamp on the front corner or in the middle of each side?

RV
The missing clamp is on the front passenger-side corner. It looks like it was pulled out somehow. He is offering to sell it for $9,500, which is about $1,000 under the NADA value due to the missing awning.

[rvcycleguy]

The missing clamp is on the front passenger-side corner. It looks like it was pulled out somehow. He is offering to sell it for $9,500, which is about $1,000 under the NADA value due to the missing awning.

Ok. Asking price is not bad, not good either. Book value really has no basis here at this point. He doesn't know what he has... Has no idea about the AC, has no idea what model it is and it's damaged. Throw the book out. That clamp is minor issue and can be repaired easily. I have one out right now. Lost it over Xmas/New Years camping trip. There is a way to fix it better than new so if you do the deal, let me know and I'll send you a photo of the repair.

The awning, to me, is the bigger issue and creates a situation to really bargain with. I may not know what I'm talking about but awnings just don't fall off. They may be torn off, damaged and removed, but something has to be done to repair it. If it was me, I'd be on a ladder inspecting the entire area of the awning rail. Actually, you may not need a ladder since these are pop ups and the awning is part of the front roof. If your future intentions are to replace it new, who is going to order it, install it, repair any issues that may be found during install? These are questions that affect the purchase price of the TM, to me. If your intentions are to not replace it, and carry a pop up shade tent, fine, that's an option, but resale value for the TM after your done with it will always be affected. Good luck. Try and not let this unit be your only option. Don't get stuck that you have no options.

[hjbourge]

Kurt, I have a 2010SD TM and toe it with a Honda Ridgeline which has a 5000 lb toe rate and use a prodigy brake control. I have never use a Weight Distributing hitch, have always hooked up to full service at campgrounds and run my AC all the time and my awning is good. I don't know where you are located but I will be selling mine in a couple of months as right now it is locked in with snow. I am in the Mass, west of Boston. I need to sell because of back problems. If interested send me a e-mail at [email protected]

[Sterman]

I've read on this site that some people have removed awnings to gain width clearance to fit the TM into a single car garage.

[B_and_D]

I did find that it is a 2619 and not a 2720. The guys wife posted the Craigslist ad and I think she was guessing on the model number. Anyhow, are there any known issues with the 2619? From what I can tell, it is the exact same as the 2720, only a foot shorter.

Thanks again for all of the information. You guys are great!

The 2720 has a queen size bed in the back and the 2619 has a double/full.

[moaboy]

With a 2720, u gain a bigger bed in the rear and a storage locker under/near the bottom of that bed. Many go with a 2619 over 2720 because it will fit in their garage where as a 2720 will not.
If u do have room I'd go with a 2720.
His price in my opinion seems a bit high. It will cost u at least a $1,000 for a new awning unless u can find a used one and install it your self.
The AC will run fine on a 3kwatt generator, I do it all the time.
Odd they did not know the model as I believe it is decaled on the side of most all TM's.
I'd offer at least a grand off what they are asking, maybe even $1500 which gives u more room to negotiate. Always start low and work your way up!
If nothing else u will find out how bad the person wants or needs to sell it and when u have to fix items u did not know were broken, u have it covered since u bought it right.
Good luck.

[Chilean]

Let us know when it arrives. What does it take, once it is on-board a ship? Three weeks? A month? Glad you got something worked out, so it can be shipped!

I have an agent in Miami, he is the one who shipped all the things I buy in USA.
So is no problem, is a matter of time, they put the Trailmanor on a Flat bed Tráiler.

Sincé Chile has an freecommerce agree with USA I onlo pay 6 % tax.
Well I will let you know when it arrives.
Regards
Chilean
PD. Sorry for my English

[Padgett]

I replaced mine with a Fiamma F45s which is a newer design and does not stick out as far as the original F45i but is the same size awning.

It came with three brackets and each bracket has a channel at the top to hold the awning and a screw/nut on the bottom of each to retain the awning. Remove the three screws and the whole awning can flip on top of the TM for minimum width but really does not stick out much more than the patio lights.

I did redesign the TM mount (lotsa #6 screws) with a 4 foot 1/8 aluminum "L" from HD cut into three pieces: 2 18" ends and a 12" center. Then used 12 1" #12 SS sheet metal drilling screws on each end and 9 in the middle with three in a triangle through each bracket. Screws are through both cap and wall. Not going anywhere.

Someone mentioned that pop rivets work as well or better but prefer to be removable.

ps the Fiamma instructions say to center the "support" label on the bracket. Don't.